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    Default Thoughts on Powerflex Black wishbone bushes? Peugeot 205

    Hi All,

    I've purchased some new suspension for my 205 gti and looking to refresh some of the surrounding parts, in particular the wishbone bushes.

    The guys in the UK have mixed reviews on the powerflex purple range, they recommend genuine Peugeot ones instead which are no longer available (Part # 359907).

    The powerflex black range is a little more stiffer and aimed for track use. Does anyone have any experience with these on the road? I'd like to keep vibration and noise to a minimum which I've read can be a side effect of these?

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    Or, should I be looking to replace the entire wishbone instead? Any thoughts on a good aftermarket brand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moeozz View Post
    Hi All,

    I've purchased some new suspension for my 205 gti and looking to refresh some of the surrounding parts, in particular the wishbone bushes.

    The guys in the UK have mixed reviews on the powerflex purple range, they recommend genuine Peugeot ones instead which are no longer available (Part # 359907).

    The powerflex black range is a little more stiffer and aimed for track use. Does anyone have any experience with these on the road? I'd like to keep vibration and noise to a minimum which I've read can be a side effect of these?

    Or, should I be looking to replace the entire wishbone instead? Any thoughts on a good aftermarket brand?

    Thanks
    It funny this thread comes up today... Last night I removed my lower control arms getting ready for new engine. I had installed purple bushes about 3 - 4 years back and they are in fantastic condition. I could not believe my eyes as I was expecting them to be absolutely minced after attending of the track days I have been on. Everything else to the front end that was not uprated for track was stuffed. Sway bar pins, tie rod ends and even cv boots, all installed new at the same time - rooted! So I'm a fan of purple, haven't tried black.

    I'm weary of anything the poms say that relates to under car stuff. Remember it's rains, snows, blizzards for twelve months of the year over there and what do they do, throw salt on it. Every picture / video I watch relating to under car repair shows premature aging.

    Poly pushes are so much easier to put in too.
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    Black Powerflex in mine for a year or so. I can't see any problems with them.

    (The bushes in my new Valeo replacement wishbones only lasted about 12 months).
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    You can still get original Peugeot bushes but not from the UK. Look further afield.

    They are a pain in the dorongo to replace though and you have to make your own tools, which need to be very close in tolerance and tough as nails to push old bushes out and new bushes in without destroying anything (the metal is very thin and it will bend easily if you don't push absolutely square on it). I ended up cutting some hole saws of appropriate diameters to use as spacers. Around 30$-40$ a piece, I destroyed three so total cost 100$-120$ but I did the job perfectly. I could have turned something on my lathe but all the materials I had were too big and it would have taken forever to turn down on my small lathe.

    You ca also find Powerflex bushes here, only they are called Power Pro or something like that. Same material. Nolathane make bushes that fit as well. The only problem is you have to mix and match because they are not going to be labelled for your car. Find a shop that stocks a broad range and go in with your bush and you'll find them.
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    In my experience the powerflex black bushes are excellent on road and track but massively overpriced. You can get a set of Super Pro bushes locally, (specifically for the 205 - Wholesale Suspension, Arndell Park), for half the price of Powerflex and they perform the same.

    Not sure why anyone would fit genuine front bushes to anything other than a concourse vehicle.

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    +1 also for the black Powerflex bushes. They're easy to replace if you drop the sub-frame down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    In my experience the powerflex black bushes are excellent on road and track but massively overpriced. You can get a set of Super Pro bushes locally, (specifically for the 205 - Wholesale Suspension, Arndell Park), for half the price of Powerflex and they perform the same.

    Not sure why anyone would fit genuine front bushes to anything other than a concourse vehicle.
    Super Pro, that's the name.

    As for genuine bushes, why not? That is what the designer designed, they must have tested it, most people the world over drive on them and have good impressions about it.
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    Thanks all. Will look into the powerflex black or super pro’s
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    All vehicles (below say, $5 million) are a compromise of cost, assembly ease, and performance when designed.
    The OEM part is not always the last word on performance or any other measure, although it's usually a good compromise.

    But I expect you know that.

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    As for genuine bushes, why not? That is what the designer designed, they must have tested it, most people the world over drive on them and have good impressions about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speaksgeek View Post
    All vehicles (below say, $5 million) are a compromise of cost, assembly ease, and performance when designed.
    The OEM part is not always the last word on performance or any other measure, although it's usually a good compromise.

    But I expect you know that.
    So what you're sayin' is that Bugatti, Ferrari, McLaren and so on buy their bushings from Superflex?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    So what you're sayin' is that Bugatti, Ferrari, McLaren and so on buy their bushings from Superflex?
    More likely they get them from Peugeot.
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    I've got Super Pros in the 309 rally car, no problem and half the price. They are made by Fulcrum Suspension in Brisbane.

    On another note SASIC bushes for 205 Si LCAs are terrible, way too soft, so I've been using bargain basement complete arms for my 205 competition car, They are only just starting to pull apart after 18 months of use on very rough roads in many events so cheap is not always bad.

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    Thanks all. Will look into the powerflex black or super pro’s

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    Quote Originally Posted by speaksgeek View Post
    More likely they get them from Peugeot.

    Well, considering those cars are all under 5 mil$ some compromise is to be expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I've got Super Pros in the 309 rally car, no problem and half the price. They are made by Fulcrum Suspension in Brisbane.
    Do you have a contact at Fulcrum, they worked on my 205 about 27 years ago and did a bloody good job, drove on rails for a while.
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    No just noticed it when I looked it up on line, I remember them being around for a while.

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    Fulcrum does indeed manufacturer super pro. I called their head office and they directed me to a local dealer.

    I ordered a mix of both super pro and powerflex:

    • Superpro Control Arm Bush Kit - SPF1424K
    • Powerflex Black Anti Roll Bar Bush 17mm - PFF50-215-17BLK
    • Powerflex Bump Stop - BS007
    • New left + right lower control arms
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    I seem to remember having problems with the Powerflex bushes some time ago. They were soft as marshmallows. This was some 10 years ago, but the material was definitely different from the Super Pro material.
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    I had the purple Powerflex, not in a Renault, that disintegrated within a few months. Put it down to their lack of "omni" movement as the suspension did its thing.

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    The ones in my 309 don't twist, you can push the wishbone up and down with ease.

    Quote Originally Posted by dvr View Post
    I had the purple Powerflex, not in a Renault, that disintegrated within a few months. Put it down to their lack of "omni" movement as the suspension did its thing.

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