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    Just had a "Complimentary" 50K intermediate service done on my 2012 308 2.0l hdi Touring. All good except they reckon I need new front rotors and pads within next 5,000k's. Actual mileage at service was 48k's and front pads now at 3mm and rear at 6mm. My query was at previous service done 6 months ago at 41k's, front pads were 6mm and rear also 6mm, so how come front pads are 50% less and rear still the same at 6mm ?
    Supposedly they have a "tool" that can measure rotors without removing wheel ?? Anyway was quoted $745. inc gst for genuine rotors+pads and $594 inc gst for Non gen rotors+ genuine pads !
    Most of our driving is 500K's round trip as we are 250k's south of Perth and do negligible city k's so I guess that if I add 5k to the existing 48k's I'm getting over 50k's from front rotors and pads, not bad I suppose.
    Having said all that, went on line and can buy non gen rotors for around $150-200 a pair,delivered, what does one do, and has anyone fitted ceramic pads, and if so , how are they going ? Pug dealer reckons "after market" pads all squeal, and genuine Pug pads are only good for 25-30,000 !! Now that winter has almost gone should perhaps get the old 404 out of the shed and drive that, probably cheaper !!

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    What does one do...quite easy... replace worn components.....or...... drive without using brake assist.
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    They measure discs in situ with a purpose made caliper with long jaws that slip around the disc and point inwards. The rear brakes do much less work.

    Ring up/email EAI in Sydney or Melbourne for a base price, delivered to you. If my Citroens were going to squeal on non-PSA pads I'd have heard them. Each has had a front or rear replaced with EAI stock in the last 18 months. They are impressively quiet.

    The front discs and pad are conventional, and a simple change over.

    The rear caliper is non-floating, and the discs come complete with bearing and ABS magnets, so costs a bit more. The all in-one setup is particularly easy to change over, but I'd suggest you retain the grease cap, as you may find it easier to refit than fit the new one that comes in the box.

    PS Genuine discs are coated to miniise rust in areas not scraped by the pads. Some non-genuines are uncoated steel, and light rust will show around the hubs. It's simply an aesthetic judgemnt which you choose.
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    wonder how different can a '13 citroen be?
    I'm effectively off the road due to noise when braking, waiting to get rear pads & rotors done by someone i trust, who assures me he can get what's needed.
    Looked - had vague memories of some relevant discussion here but not been able to find it; cursory research through phone and
    DBA site is all i could manage.
    Dealer quoted genuine pads & rotors, fitted: front $860, rear $1050.
    Specialist shop (didn't want VIN (?!?)) Pads 4 pair @ $66, front rotors $179, rear $260 and labour 475 (front and rear)

    Barty sorry - if you feel hijacked please allow me to take it elsewhere.
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    ps mine is pushing 90k now

    edit thanks Seasink, you answered my question re rears
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    There is a well illustrated account of doing the rears on a Peugeot 307 here - Peugeot 307 Rear Brake Disc Replacement Guide Other Peugeots and Citroens with the twist beam rear are similar.

    I should have added: Rears are much much easier with a cylinder wind-back tool. They are not expensive if you look around, including eBay. Worth every $.

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    Barty,
    Do not attempt rear pad replacement if, as suggested by seasink a wind-back tool is required.

    Modern car owners seem to have accepted the wear rate of pads and discs. My former disc front 404 went for years without much wear. 504's also.
    It's no wonder that modern cars including Peugeot become worthless in such a short time. Who can afford the ongoing service costs?

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    The tool is to wind back the pistons operated by the handbrake. They are mounted on a thread that winds out as wear occurs. You can do it without one if it isn't too stiff, but it isn't ever pleasant. Front pistons push back.

    The wind back tool looks like this 308 front rotors and pad replcement !-wind-bak.jpg

    The theoretical pushing tool at the front is this, but I usually use a G clamp 308 front rotors and pad replcement !-brake-tool.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest View Post
    Barty,
    Do not attempt rear pad replacement if, as suggested by seasink a wind-back tool is required.

    Modern car owners seem to have accepted the wear rate of pads and discs. My former disc front 404 went for years without much wear. 504's also.
    It's no wonder that modern cars including Peugeot become worthless in such a short time. Who can afford the ongoing service costs?
    The high wear rate is largely due to the removal of asbestos from brake pads.

    And it's not an entirely bad initiative.

    If replacing pads and disks "writes off a car". I'd suggest mechanics and part suppliers are being too well rewarded for their parts/ labour.

    Or second hand cars are becoming worthless.

    PS: I replaced the front pads and disks on my Toyota Estima with DBA products (for an Aurion - same trans axle) . The cost was around $110 all up, trade. So it's not a particularly expensive job.
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    Had '...rear pads & rotors done by someone i trust, who ... 'got what was '... needed...' eventually. Pads sent (arrived late Friday) with rotors were for / should have been for Lucas calipers (so it wasn't done yesterday). Will find out which and where from, but all good and only $640, inclusive of 2hrs labour charged at $86 per, so I feel my trust is well placed. Tyres next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barty View Post
    Just had a "Complimentary" 50K intermediate service done on my 2012 308 2.0l hdi Touring. All good except they reckon I need new front rotors and pads within next 5,000k's. Actual mileage at service was 48k's and front pads now at 3mm and rear at 6mm. My query was at previous service done 6 months ago at 41k's, front pads were 6mm and rear also 6mm, so how come front pads are 50% less and rear still the same at 6mm ?
    Supposedly they have a "tool" that can measure rotors without removing wheel ?? Anyway was quoted $745. inc gst for genuine rotors+pads and $594 inc gst for Non gen rotors+ genuine pads !
    Most of our driving is 500K's round trip as we are 250k's south of Perth and do negligible city k's so I guess that if I add 5k to the existing 48k's I'm getting over 50k's from front rotors and pads, not bad I suppose.
    Having said all that, went on line and can buy non gen rotors for around $150-200 a pair,delivered, what does one do, and has anyone fitted ceramic pads, and if so , how are they going ? Pug dealer reckons "after market" pads all squeal, and genuine Pug pads are only good for 25-30,000 !! Now that winter has almost gone should perhaps get the old 404 out of the shed and drive that, probably cheaper !!
    Wow - that's dreadful mileage. Sounds like your complimentary service is being used to ramp up business.

    Our 2009 308 2.0 L HDi Touring has covered nearly 200K km's. I've replaced the brakes once - in 2012 , and the current set are probably about 25% worn.

    When I replaced the original factory brakes I used DBA rotors on the front with no slotting (part #DBA2276 from memory), with ATE Ceramic pads. On the rear I used genuine disks (which have the bearings builtin ) with new pads.

    Here is my post from 2012 :

    ATE Ceramic brake pads

    I'm still impressed with these Ceramic front pads. I reckon they have better retardation and pedal feel now than they've ever had. No signs of wear on the disks, and lots and lots of meat left on the pads. Front wheels stay shiny clean, while the standard Pug pads on the rear make the back wheels black.

    Can't recommend them enough. They've never squealed, and didn't require any fancy copper greases or backing plates. Again - if your Pug dealer says all aftermarket pads squeal, but the pads he sells don't - I'd be suspicious.

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