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    I have recently found a 4CV 'barn find' which is in amazing condition for age - fading paint, but largely as left factory with layer of patina. 1961 Oz Build model

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    Plan to NOT restore but conserve, would be a crime to do the full strip/2 Pack resto unless absolutely necessary

    I shall be annoying all with silly questions for a while, the first of which are:

    1: What are seats made of? It is clearly some sort of synthetic/ plastic/vinyl material but I would llike to know exactly so that I can start conservation/reconditioning before they have to survive my sitting on them(a difficult task ). Have some months to do this

    Any suggestions as to what to do in the way of conservation?


    2:

    Headlamps have rust on the silvered surfaces and will need to be fixed, whether by re-silvering or by replacement

    Replacements from Europe wil be LHD/Dip and not roadworthy for Oz. RHD new are the proverbial RHS

    PEugeot lights of the 60's and 70's had a little tag which allowed one to set lamps for either LHD or RHD
    But I can find no reference to this on the various French website I've been visiting for Renault.

    Does anybody know a source of suitable new lamps or bulb holders to allow me to do this?

    Does anybody know an effectuve and vaguely legal bodge?

    Does anybody know somebody who resilvers lamps, ideally in Victoria ( but not picky if they come recommended )?


    Would be grateful for any help and advice

    Andrew

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    This would probably be best in the Renault section, chances are here it will get lost once it falls from the top of the list.

    1) The seats are likely good old vinyl. Realistically there is little to do to "soften" the vinyl. It was fairly stiff 'n cheap when new (likely Australian made if it is plain material). Dissol and pure (Velvet type) laundry soap with a softly stiff nail brush and toothbrush will likely be the starting point if it is grubby. If the vinyl isn't ripped, be careful where it is stitched, as the cotton stitching may be time weary, so take care being too vigourous with the brush on the seams, and don't over saturate the cotton. Yes, it will take time, but it will be worth the effort.

    To "preserve" the vinyl, I've used the 303 protectant for the last 20 years, it seems to work well but doesn't make hard sun damaged vinyl soft again - the 750 vinyl again is unlikely to have been soft when new, being an early type thin non expanded vinyl. Vinyl is like skin, once damaged it doesn't go back. Sun is the enemy of vinyl, you are lucky if it is in good nick. I've been lucky with my cars in that most of the trim is still in good nick, then it gets covered in seat covers of rather dubious taste (woolly leftovers in the 8G, and the third set from new of terry towelling ones in the Brand V). The seat covers can also spread the load potentially placing less stress on the seams. If the seams have ripped, and the vinyl hasn't shrunk, a good upholsterer should be able to salvage the vinyl and do a sympathetic and fairly invisible repair using the existing holes if they haven't been damaged.

    2) The headlights are likely ambidextrous symmetrical beams, so obtainable from Europe like-for-like. Or asymmetrical beams where the later P45T base bulb can be adjusted with the tilt mechanism, the actual lens is again ambidextrous. If your replacement light units don't have the adjuster bulb holder (which clips to the reflector), I've got some of them which will suit off old R4 lights.
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    Dear Simon

    Many thanks, it looks from this that a bit of fitting and swapping will solve the light problem. The European new shells are clearly designed for an insert , so I shall probably use your solution ( the fact that the R4 ones work will significantly improve the odds of my being able to find without pestering you, but may well be getting back to you )

    Advice on seats much appreciated. Shall approach with care. They are so good that it would be pity to spoil them by hurrying

    Best Wishes

    Andrew

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    This would probably be best in the Renault section, chances are here it will get lost once it falls from the top of the list.

    1) The seats are likely good old vinyl. Realistically there is little to do to "soften" the vinyl. It was fairly stiff 'n cheap when new (likely Australian made if it is plain material). Dissol and pure (Velvet type) laundry soap with a softly stiff nail brush and toothbrush will likely be the starting point if it is grubby. If the vinyl isn't ripped, be careful where it is stitched, as the cotton stitching may be time weary, so take care being too vigourous with the brush on the seams, and don't over saturate the cotton. Yes, it will take time, but it will be worth the effort.

    To "preserve" the vinyl, I've used the 303 protectant for the last 20 years, it seems to work well but doesn't make hard sun damaged vinyl soft again - the 750 vinyl again is unlikely to have been soft when new, being an early type thin non expanded vinyl. Vinyl is like skin, once damaged it doesn't go back. Sun is the enemy of vinyl, you are lucky if it is in good nick. I've been lucky with my cars in that most of the trim is still in good nick, then it gets covered in seat covers of rather dubious taste (woolly leftovers in the 8G, and the third set from new of terry towelling ones in the Brand V). The seat covers can also spread the load potentially placing less stress on the seams. If the seams have ripped, and the vinyl hasn't shrunk, a good upholsterer should be able to salvage the vinyl and do a sympathetic and fairly invisible repair using the existing holes if they haven't been damaged.

    2) The headlights are likely ambidextrous symmetrical beams, so obtainable from Europe like-for-like. Or asymmetrical beams where the later P45T base bulb can be adjusted with the tilt mechanism, the actual lens is again ambidextrous. If your replacement light units don't have the adjuster bulb holder (which clips to the reflector), I've got some of them which will suit off old R4 lights.

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