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    Can anyone tell me if the Series 2 505 GTi wagon came with an LSD as standard on Australian models?

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    as far as i know, all australian 505 Gti's have an LSD.

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    Thanks GTIrally, I hope you're right. Can anyone tell me how to distinguish a LSD from an non-LSD diff? How do you test for one - do you jack up one wheel and try to turn it? With a conventional dif the wheel in the air turns easily but what happens with an LSD, presumably it still turns but you can feel the resistance against the clutches?
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    Bruce

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    Brother owned:
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    Bruce,

    Lift both wheels, in neutral, turn one wheel the other should turn in the SAME direction. With normal difs the opposing wheel will turn in opposite direction.
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    There's been a fair amount of discussion on this in the past, and in regards to 505s, there's never really been a conclusive answer on which ones came with LSDs, and whether or not we actual got ANY with LSDs.

    I've got a series 1 GTi (Executive) and tried spinning the rear wheel, and found that the opposing rear wheel spun in the OPPOSITE direction, which would mean that I don't have an LSD.

    And to confuse things even more, I don't think there are any distinguishing marks on the outside of the diff that indicate which ones are LSDs and which ones aren't.

    Just try doing a burn out and see if you leave 1 black rubber trail or 2...

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    I have a 1988 505 gti 5 speed wagon and a 1991 505 auto wagon and they both have a LSD
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkie
    Bruce,

    Lift both wheels, in neutral, turn one wheel the other should turn in the SAME direction. With normal difs the opposing wheel will turn in opposite direction.
    Thanks for that tekkie, I'll try it tomorrow afternoon when I get home. I knew a normal diff turned the other wheel backwards but I didn't realise that the LSD turned it the same way - you live and learn.
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    Previously owned:
    ('78-'81) 1970 504 (with the beautiful French seats)
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    Brother owned:
    203,403,404,504 (each when they were current vehicles)

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverexec
    ...Just try doing a burn out and see if you leave 1 black rubber trail or 2...

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    Good one Richard - you'd have to smear the road with oil first just to get it to break traction with either wheel.
    Bruce

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    1988 505 GTi S2 Familial
    1999 E46 BMW 328Ci, 2002 Falcon AUIII Ute
    Previously owned:
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkie
    Bruce,

    Lift both wheels, in neutral, turn one wheel the other should turn in the SAME direction. With normal difs the opposing wheel will turn in opposite direction.
    I'm happy to report that my wheels turned in the SAME direction so I do have an LSD. So it appears that the Series 2 505 GTi wagon did come with a limited slip diff!
    Bruce

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    ('81-'89) 1977 504 (took the family on postings to Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Canberra)
    Brother owned:
    203,403,404,504 (each when they were current vehicles)

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    congratulations
    welcome to the club, hehehehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by yawood
    I'm happy to report that my wheels turned in the SAME direction so I do have an LSD. So it appears that the Series 2 505 GTi wagon did come with a limited slip diff!
    The wagons had an LSD, not the sedans.

    Graham Wallis

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    Now this brings up something I've been thinking about.Does anyone know if you can put the wagon LSD in a sedan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platypus
    Now this brings up something I've been thinking about.Does anyone know if you can put the wagon LSD in a sedan?
    Yes, but is will need to be setup by an expert.

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    OK then,has anyone on these forums actually fitted a LSD(regardless of its origin)to a 505 sedan?Any ideas on cost?Who would be a good person to do the job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platypus
    OK then,has anyone on these forums actually fitted a LSD(regardless of its origin)to a 505 sedan?Any ideas on cost?Who would be a good person to do the job?

    in reality it shouldn't be any harder then putting a 504 sedan diff into a 404 hypoid housing which has been done numerous times and i would say even some members on the forum here

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    Hi, I have done a few and it isn't a big drama.

    The main issue is that the wagon lsd housing (diff centre) has a smaller hole in the end and a sedan driveshaft won't fit. Nowdays you can buy both sedan and wagon lsd housings so if you get the right one you're ok. If you can only get a wagon one you need to get the end machined out to the right size.

    In terms of fitting the lsd the main issue then is making sure the crownwheel still mates with the pinion and that there is correct preload on the carrier bearings - that is, the diff set up.

    On all those I did I was pleasantly surprised with the consistency of Peugeot's manufacturing processes. In all cases, even with a new carrier bearing on the lsd housing (diff centre), set up was unchanged so long as the original shims were relaced. That made set up really easy.

    Not sure what the bits cost nowdays, probably $600-800?? You need a lsd diff centre, a cone, a sun gear (or planetary, the big one) two spring end plates and 4 springs. From memory the housing, cone and sun gear comes in a kit and the other bits are individual.

    I'm happy to describe in detail if necessary, probably best to email me if you want that, rather than clog up the forum??

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    Wagon diff into sedan requires machining a little material out of the sides of the hemisphere where the sun gears normally bear... as the bearing of the sun gears becomes the responsibility of the side housing's races via the inner quarter shaft and its spline.

    Whether or not this can be done with an LSD I don't know... but I can see why it would be that wagons are fitted with LSDs and sedans aren't... the wagons would be more inclined to spin wheels under difficult circumstances than the sedans with their independent suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pug303

    I'm happy to describe in detail if necessary, probably best to email me if you want that, rather than clog up the forum??

    Cheers

    Jim
    Thanks for the info.At the moment I'm just ruminating,so I'll get back to you if I get serious.

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