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    Hey, me again....

    ok, this time i want to know what is involved in installing abs

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    pretty simple question, hope its a simple answer

    oh, and 306 specific answers would be best
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    I would think you would need to replace at least the driveshafts, and possibly even the whole hub assembly. Then you would need to plumb in the ABS unit and run a whole new set of brake lines. I have not had a good look at a non-abs 306, however my S16 has the unit in the front left corner. Do your brake lines run over to there, then distributed around to the 4 wheels?

    From your other questions on brakes, it would be wise to try to pick up the whole strut, hub, brakes, driveshaft and sway bar parts from an S16.
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    It would almost warrant the upgrade to the S16, then moving your powerplant/interior into it.

    It may sound drastic but you get the brakes, struts, suspension and upgraded interior of the S16/GTi6. I believe you would also get airbags to boot.
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    turbopeugeot306,

    what the other guys have said is all true.

    it would've been much cheaper to just buy a decent 306 to start with... you've already spent $18G on a car worth only that before you started...

    S16 would be a good base to start on for hotting up... GTI6 chassis has no real advantages over S16...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 205 GTI16

    S16 would be a good base to start on for hotting up... GTI6 chassis has no real advantages over S16...
    only that the N5 is a stiffer car than the N3

    there are/were kits you could buy to put ABS on a car and also there were/are people that have been able to use the ABS systems i have mentioned as traction control as well
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    when i got the 306, i had seen the series 1, but didnt like their looks, so i chose a series 2 (series 3 being too much)

    I wanted a gti, but the only ones i could find were $35k, and thats what justified me using a base model series 2 to hot up

    the car is too modified to sell by now, its would pretty much be a shell if i took everything off and would have to look at wreckers to replace heaps of original gear

    maybe i should find a GTI front cut, as looking for the parts to do a GTI brake swap

    anyone know prices on a front cut GTI, or anyone stripping the front end of a decent pug?
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    Dude your chances of finding a GTI front cut are next 2 none... have u thought of buying the parts from Peugeot and building it up yourself?

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    Yo man as brad said you will have to replace drive shafts n huns and also rear trailing arms, not to sure about the the torsion bars on base model 306's but im pretty sure xsi,s16 and gti6's use a bigger torsion bar, so therefor you will need a rear end suspension assembly.

    The last time i got a price on a rear end assemble was $1100 with out the torsion bar and drive shafts set your self aside atleast $400 each, from memory they are about $900 from peugeot each.

    In all honesty i dont think it is worth converting your car to abs, i have turned abs of my car and found i like the feel of the brakes better with abs turned off.

    But in the wet i wouldnt go with out them

    Hope this helps

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    turbopeugeot306,

    i heard you crashed your car this week.

    $9K damage? what happened? are you gonna try and make an insurance claim?

    now could be a very convenient time to get that S16 with ABS and rear-discs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 205 GTI16
    turbopeugeot306,

    i heard you crashed your car this week.

    $9K damage? what happened? are you gonna try and make an insurance claim?

    now could be a very convenient time to get that S16 with ABS and rear-discs...

    Ouch, are you serious? Let's hope not, but all the best dude.
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    Ok, this is obviously a stupid question from the way you guys talk BUT:

    What's the difference between the 306 Gti6 and the 306 S16???

    From what i've seen, the S16 is an earlier sports car then the gti6, but what are the major differences?

    engine displacement?
    # of valves?
    dohc or sohc?
    estimated stock HP?

    and from what i gather, the s16's were imported only? not sold locally?

    cheers guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmackie
    What's the difference between the 306 Gti6 and the 306 S16???

    From what i've seen, the S16 is an earlier sports car then the gti6, but what are the major differences?

    engine displacement?
    # of valves?
    dohc or sohc?
    estimated stock HP?

    and from what i gather, the s16's were imported only? not sold locally?

    cheers guys

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    The S16's were sold locally - around 150-200 were sold here from memory, and only about 400 were built world wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 205 GTI16
    turbopeugeot306,
    i heard you crashed your car this week.
    yikes! Hope you're alright turbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmackie
    Ok, this is obviously a stupid question from the way you guys talk BUT:

    What's the difference between the 306 Gti6 and the 306 S16???

    From what i've seen, the S16 is an earlier sports car then the gti6, but what are the major differences?

    engine displacement?
    # of valves?
    dohc or sohc?
    estimated stock HP?

    and from what i gather, the s16's were imported only? not sold locally?

    cheers guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeKa
    S16: 116kw 2L 16v engine, 5 speed
    GTi6L 124kw 2L 16v engine, 6 speed (and larger turning circle )
    The S16 is the N3 body, the GTi6 is the N5 body (with 1000 more welds - a much better chassis)
    The S16's were sold locally - around 150-200 were sold here from memory, and only about 400 were built world wide.

    Derek
    ahh ok ta
    so a gti6 would be the way to go???


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    hehe, i'll think about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmackie
    ahh ok ta so a gti6 would be the way to go???
    If you have the dosh and can find a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeKa
    S16: 116kw 2L 16v engine, 5 speed
    Actually Aussie S16 (and late 405 Mi16) = 112kW (XU10J4/Z)

    France/UK-only = 116kW (XU10J4)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 205 GTI16
    Actually Aussie S16 (and late 405 Mi16) = 112kW (XU10J4/Z)

    France/UK-only = 116kW (XU10J4)
    Sorry
    Now I know! Thanks!
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    Yeah.

    I think ONLY IN LAST 5 TO 7 YEARS (from 306 GTi-6 onwards?), have us Aussies got the same spec cars as overseas. It would seem the French and Poms, in their respective countries, have finally been required to meet our (since 1987) high standard of pollution laws - the requirement of catalytic converters and as a result, slightly detuned engines...

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    Anyone noticed turbopeugeot306 has gone all quiet? That's unlike him. Maybe the rumour I heard was true... I heard he is alright but it doesn't sound like the car is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 205 GTI16
    Anyone noticed turbopeugeot306 has gone all quiet? That's unlike him. Maybe the rumour I heard was true... I heard he is alright but it doesn't sound like the car is...
    I hope he is alright.

    Does anyone know what happened, and how badly damaged his pug is???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 205 GTI16
    Actually Aussie S16 (and late 405 Mi16) = 112kW (XU10J4/Z)

    France/UK-only = 116kW (XU10J4)

    i have always been told and always found that the 405 S2 was 112kw but the S16 was 116kw

    i am also sure that the brochures i have here for both say the same as well so i may have to see what box i put them in and dig them out

    also just doing a quick search drive.com.au says what i have also just stated
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    lol, gone all quiet?

    More like a 4 day bender

    lol, crashed my car... hmm let me go outside and check.....

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    Nope, still all good... really, i dont know where you get some of your info from 205gti...?


    Im just about to have TurboTune service it on wednesday... got heaps of questions to ask....

    I guess i'll give abs a miss then, as for the wet.... i dont drive in the wet... i'll take my A-class thanks. The wheels spin enough in the dry

    Having a think about my car the last couple days got me thinking, its not going to be a race car, so i think i would be fine with some turbo ebc rotors and ebc green stuff. im gonna save my money for more power.


    can i replace the master cylinder with anothr one, say a better non-abs model, to improve brake pedal feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbopeugeot306
    Nope, still all good... really, i dont know where you get some of your info from 205gti...?
    the service manager's assistant at taylors mentioned you [SCAR] turned up late this week and told them you'd had an accident; and that you'd ordered some parts from them to sort it. he told me the figure 9 grand damage was mentioned by you...

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    LOL

    i normally only talk to Scott Nailer, the service manager

    are you talking about the short guy with the beard who orders parts?

    anyway i havnt been near the place for over 2 months....
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbopeugeot306
    LOL

    i normally only talk to Scott Nailer, the service manager

    are you talking about the short guy with the beard who orders parts?

    anyway i havnt been near the place for over 2 months....
    Scott is a good bloke. I know him better than most ex-customers having gained his trust over time. The "short guy" is Michael. Nah, it wasn't him.

    I, myself, am not going to give out names/surnames on the forum for privacy reasons but it was Scott's assistant who informed me. I get the feeling he doesn't like you. I've heard many (not good) things about you from him and his mechanic staff. That's probably a good thing for you anyway as Taylor's don't like modified vehicles. They won't touch my car anymore either but then again, I wouldn't let anyone anyway! I built it, so only I touch it. Nuff said.
    P.S. I'm sure Scott doesn't mind being praised but lets keep people's SURnames off the forum yeah?
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