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    Quaife UK (http://www.quaife.co.uk) finally have stocks of lsd's for Peugeot BE type transmissions.

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    They suit 205,306,309 & 405.

    I'm not certain, but believe they suit early BE1 boxes as well the BE3.

    The cost is 490 GBP + 80 freight.

    A group purchase would bring both the unit price & freight costs down.

    I intend to place an order with them at the end of this month-March.

    Anyone else (seriously) interested???


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    What problems im i gonna have fitting it to a 306 1.8 8v box, and is it gonna save my box and sacrifice my c.v.s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbopeugeot306
    What problems im i gonna have fitting it to a 306 1.8 8v box, and is it gonna save my box and sacrifice my c.v.s?

    Hi turbopeugeot306,

    If your motor/trans is still in the car, you'll need to drop the subframe away to gain access to the final drive unit.

    AFAIK, it should be a straight bolt up from there.

    A comment from the fellow froggers who were involved in the last group purchase should confirm the installation ease/difficulties.

    As to whether it saves your box, or sacrifices the cv's, I expect ones' driving style & its intended use would have a lot to do with that.


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    I'll put my hand up.

    What info do u need 2 know from me?

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    Well i pretty much have the same pussy 'box that peterT broke into pieces so im either looking for a stronger box or an lsd if it will save it.

    So whats the deadline to purchase?
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    QUOTE[What info do u need 2 know from me?]

    That's great Luca. As we get a clearer idea of numbers, we can then discuss the logistics.

    turbopeugeot306-These diffs don't have the puny planetary gears in them.

    If you're concerned about driveshafts, you may want to explore the thicker Gti6 ones & whether they are interchangeable with your box.

    End of month I'll get solid pricing from Quaife based on the number we intend to purchase.


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    Better to get a workshop to do it or just 4 bolts?
    Whats the install likely to cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbopeugeot306
    Better to get a workshop to do it or just 4 bolts?
    Whats the install likely to cost?
    Firstly, your gearbox isn't wussy [SCAR] (I know the box your car has very well - funny that!)

    Secondly pgti6, to correct you, they're "sun gears" not planetary. Planetary is a completely different arrangement - take a look at how an automatic transmission works

    It's 8 VFT (very f*cking tight) bolts. Get a mechanic to do it, unless you have a expensive (high-torque) rattle gun.

    Do I know what I'm talking about?

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    So tell me how much is the going rate, and i really dont care about having an LSD effect, rather if it will save my box...

    can anyone answer that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbopeugeot306
    So tell me how much is the going rate, and i really dont care about having an LSD effect, rather if it will save my box...

    can anyone answer that?
    You could do it yourself if you wanted to learn... Going rate? I haven't paid anyone in a long time now sorry.

    Fitting an LSD will save your old, removed diffs sun gears (the actual differential) but might mean you strip your actual cogs in the box or break your synchros. Answer? If you don't fit an LSD, drive carefully and don't get 1 wheel wheelspin. Both wheels or nothing. Trust me. I blew up (being a young idiot like you are now) the very gearbox you have with only 90kW!

    You have a BE3. It's the strongest your motor can take. Adding a LSD will only move the strain to the cogs and synchros. You might like to run a girly clutch - it will provide some protection, but you don't want it slipping either.
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    QOUTE[Secondly pgti6, to correct you, they're "sun gears" not planetary. Planetary is a completely different arrangement - take a look at how an automatic transmission works]

    Fair call I failed astronomy!

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    Jeff r u going 2 answer question about serious customers or talk about past regrets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgti6
    Fair call I failed astronomy!
    I didn't even study the stars!

    Instead I'm a experienced professional engineer. Has its plusses when it comes to building cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgti6
    Quaife UK (http://www.quaife.co.uk) finally have stocks of lsd's for Peugeot BE type transmissions.

    They suit 205,306,309 & 405.

    I'm not certain, but believe they suit early BE1 boxes as well the BE3.

    The cost is 490 GBP + 80 freight.

    A group purchase would bring both the unit price & freight costs down.

    I intend to place an order with them at the end of this month-March.

    Anyone else (seriously) interested???


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    Won't suit the gti6, 6 speed box will it?

    Do you know what these cost now Jeff?
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    don't know why is shouldn't fit a GTi-6 as they have a BE3/6 g/box

    so if these units suit the BE3 then it should suit the GTi-6

    i may be wrong but GTI124's ex GTi-6 had a LSD fitted to it but what variety it was/is we don't know
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    don't know why is shouldn't fit a GTi-6 as they have a BE3/6 g/box

    so if these units suit the BE3 then it should suit the GTi-6

    i may be wrong but GTI124's ex GTi-6 had a LSD fitted to it but what variety it was/is we don't know
    the crown wheel and driveshaft splines are the only part that matters. i can't see any possible reason why you can't use it in the 306 GTI6!

    BE3 is the key. And the only difference between a BE3/5 and BE3/6 is the 6 is a longer box (physical dimensions I mean) - but that has no effect on your diff!!! Although it does have an effect on your left-turning-radius
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    Quote Originally Posted by 205 GTI 16V
    the crown wheel and driveshaft splines are the only part that matters. i can't see any possible reason why you can't use it in the 306 GTI6!

    BE3 is the key. And the only difference between a BE3/5 and BE3/6 is the 6 is a longer box (physical dimensions I mean) - but that has no effect on your diff!!! Although it does have an effect on your left-turning-radius

    well that was my thought

    they are the same family so they should fit in either

    BTW i think you meant to say right turning radius
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    BTW i think you meant to say right turning radius
    You know what I was getting at though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbopeugeot306
    Well i pretty much have the same pussy 'box that peterT broke into pieces so im either looking for a stronger box or an lsd if it will save it.
    I think you mean Darren. I've haven't broken a gearbox, yet. The Quiafe centre fits the BE1 and BE3. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't fit the later varieties either.

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    I saw a shattered BX box on Tuesday.
    Might be interested in a LSD if it it stops this happening to my 205 SI
    (plenty of one wheel wheelspin on dirt motorkhanas and khanacross). Is this a
    torsen type diff? If so this would incease my interest somewhat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS
    I saw a shattered BX box on Tuesday.
    Might be interested in a LSD if it it stops this happening to my 205 SI
    (plenty of one wheel wheelspin on dirt motorkhanas and khanacross). Is this a
    torsen type diff? If so this would incease my interest somewhat!

    Graham Wallis
    yes, it's a similar concept. Gears rather than clutches. It's very progressive and worth every cent. I don't have power steering. When we did this 12 months ago, we got 4 units @ 440 each. Shipping was 150 total. At the time, exchange rate was 37.5, so it should be a fair bit cheaper now. Total, inc. GST, duty and Aus. Post fees, was approx. AUS$1600.

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    intersting to see that they mention 505 in there as well

    now if it's the sedan diff then it will fit anything from 504 through to the 604

    i may have to send an email and ask

    the last one i had was an actual pug kit and came in pug packaging but whether they are still available i'm not sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    yes, it's a similar concept. Gears rather than clutches. It's very progressive and worth every cent. I don't have power steering. When we did this 12 months ago, we got 4 units @ 440 each. Shipping was 150 total. At the time, exchange rate was 37.5, so it should be a fair bit cheaper now. Total, inc. GST, duty and Aus. Post fees, was approx. AUS$1600.
    The thing is, when BE1 and BE3 diffs go, boy do they go. I was incredibly lucky (I pulled my 1.9GTI BE3 diff housing apart to inspect the damage), that only my sun-gears shat themselves but stayed put on their shaft.

    But when you're not incredibly lucky, the sun gears usually leave the diff housing and go on holiday to the bellhousing or worse yet, go to that cloud up in the sky out the bottom of your car an leave you with a screwed bellhousing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    yes, it's a similar concept. Gears rather than clutches. It's very progressive and worth every cent. I don't have power steering. When we did this 12 months ago, we got 4 units @ 440 each. Shipping was 150 total. At the time, exchange rate was 37.5, so it should be a fair bit cheaper now. Total, inc. GST, duty and Aus. Post fees, was approx. AUS$1600.

    570 pounds is 1368 Australian dollars

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    Have you lads considered the phantom type LSD?

    I had one made in Brisbane for only $450 and it works great in my 205 Mi16

    It retains the Sun gears but will reduce the strain/pressure on them.

    Here's the link?
    Is there such a thing as an LSD for..


    Just a thought.

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