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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Wilkinson View Post
    Please don't be so quick to condemn, Rob. It is not fiction and Bob is not spinning anything.

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    Try looking up "The Feral Sports Car Club Inc" instead. Lots of clubs are listed under "The".

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    Indeed you are correct. Buggered if know how they maintain registration with all the tripe on their website.

    Can't see Vic Roads would be keen to support the system they have in place.
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    Don't worry, in the not too distant future car clubs are going to be the only way in which one can get behind the wheel of a car that goes broom broom with an IC engine.

    Fuel will be $36.70 per litre and carefully regulated for track use only.

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    RCCV seem to be doing alright, memberships are up I think. Renault Sports probably have a lot to do with it and the fact that you need a CAMS licence to compete so the Oz Renault Sport boys join in.
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    I was a paid member of PCCV, AROCA and DOCV (Ducati owners club vic) for at least a couple of years each. I didn't renew because I didn't see much value in it, personally. I was pretty young at the time, 23 or 24, and there was almost no-one else my age at the club meetings, which isn't a requirement to fit in but it helps.

    I initially signed up for use of the workshop with any specialist tools and to attend club motorsport events like DECA etc. but I slowly bought my own tools and didn't have much money left over for track days back then (too busy crashing cars! also DOCV's tool library is rubbish).

    I'll probably think about joining PCCV or AROCA again when the 405's done and old enough to be on club reg. Also, I'm 32 now and not so awkward so I might fit in (a bit) better haha.
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    I feel compelled to join this discussion. I guess at 29y.o, I could be defined as the 'youth' that clubs are trying to target.
    I have been a member of Kyneton Car Club for 6 years now, and been part of the committee for the last 4 (secretary, event secretary, point scorer, Vice President, membership secretary) as well as on day official (clerk of course, chief scrutineer, timing, start official, etc)
    After a few years of being bogged down with meetings, paperwork, and members who expect you to jump through hoops because 'I have this great idea, but don't want to implement it'. Effectively, I may have become the worlds youngest cynic. I'm happy to endorse anyone's ideas, but if they aren't willing to assist in getting it off the ground, then I find other more pressing tasks to work on.

    As a result of this, I've become pretty drained in my own club, and have joined Swan Hill Sporting Car Club this year, to compete in the Autocross championship under their club. Fallen back in love with competing again, without always thinking of the workload that events mean for me.

    How to bring in more people to share the load? I asked our longest serving member, who has been on the committee and been an official since the early 60's, but not even he has the magic bullet. Best we can do is run good events with minimal management, and hope we don't wear out the small core of officials we have.


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    Committee (n)
    A group that takes minutes and wastes hours.

    I say that with love as a similarly aged lad, I have been involved in community music on a committee level for 6, 7 years. How fun is Admin everyone.

    The trick I agree with you, is to have a set of like minded folk and try to share it around regularly.

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    Another internet aspect... years ago someone buys a car and wants to check out what's happening in that car scene, most likely they would open a car mag or classifieds to look up club names, turn up to a club meeting or event and meet some people and see what's going on and then decide if that's for them or not.

    Fast forward to today's internet world and smart phones, Facebook etc... someone buys a car and they jump online to see what's going on in that car world, they may browse the club web page or join the club Facebook page. Have a look at the activity on the pages and see what's going on. Now I know this is not everyone and there are still those that turn up to an event or meeting to see first hand but the internet is a first port of call for a great proportion of younger people. Two clubs that I am involved with have shutdown their websites and primary use Facebook.
    So if the club isn't active online or worse was active but not for a long time, then some people may pass it over and find this type of forum or another general multi make car club that is networking online. One of the keys to connecting to new younger members is about online noise/activity and then the rest of the other discussion topics around activity types and involvement etc come into play.

    How active online are these clubs that are struggling with new younger members?
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    One small aspect of larger clubs, that I would like to raise is that there is some difference in the way age groups migrate from a mailed out magazine to adopting an on line magazine or dropping to just a Newsletter. I noticed that when the Melbourne PC User Group stopped sending out their monthly magazine, and just included that as an internet offering (saving money) Many of the older members just never bothered opening the on line offering and then they dropped the mail out of disks, probably to save even more money and a lot of interest dropped off. I have noticed the same with Car clubs, as magazines became more expensive and went on line, it was much easier for the Editor, but not well received from the members.

    I would suggest that before dropping your mail out magazine, you experiment with good articles and a live wire switched on Editorial team that continually tries to get feedback from members, or move from that to a mix of Facebook (crackbook) and Newsletters by email but try and keep up to two issues a month initially, with a mix of the best buy and sell options, so that the damn thing gets read.

    And continually monitor what members like and don't like in the process. The ultimate "did we get it right" is a growing enthusiastic membership and the take up of club activities - opposite trend and you are probably on the death spiral. IMHO!

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    One small aspect of larger clubs, that I would like to raise is that there is some difference in the way age groups migrate from a mailed out magazine to adopting an on line magazine or dropping to just a Newsletter. I noticed that when the Melbourne PC User Group stopped sending out their monthly magazine, and just included that as an internet offering (saving money) Many of the older members just never bothered opening the on line offering and then they dropped the mail out of disks, probably to save even more money and a lot of interest dropped off. I have noticed the same with Car clubs, as magazines became more expensive and went on line, it was much easier for the Editor, but not well received from the members.

    I would suggest that before dropping your mail out magazine, you experiment with good articles and a live wire switched on Editorial team that continually tries to get feedback from members, or move from that to a mix of Facebook (crackbook) and Newsletters by email but try and keep up to two issues a month initially, with a mix of the best buy and sell options, so that the damn thing gets read.

    And continually monitor what members like and don't like in the process. The ultimate "did we get it right" is a growing enthusiastic membership and the take up of club activities - opposite trend and you are probably on the death spiral. IMHO!

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    Car enthusiasts have joined car clubs for a range of reasons including technical advice, spare parts, and social interaction and to borrow club tools and manuals and to engage in motor sport activities. Members with older cars are attracted to car clubs for some of these reasons and especially to access concessional registration for their cars. Eight ROCC members have vehicles on concessional registration.

    Web based technology and computers have added a new dimension to the way clubs communicate with members and how information is accessed. This has benefitted clubs but has also been to their detriment as newer cars with more complex engineering based on computer technology are less amenable to fixing by the DIY mechanic. In addition, new cars are generally sold with 5-7 year warranties and fixed price servicing. New car owners thus have less need to access technical advice from clubs and, if needed, could also access parts, manuals and advice via the Internet. The Internet has also facilitated the formation of on line clubs such as OzRenaultsport whose members do not see the need, or want to deal with, more formal club structures.

    The last Motor Vehicle Census published by the ABS showed that the number of registered Renault passenger vehicles increased from 24,750 in 2011 to 44,883 in 2016 - an increase of 81.3%. Given these increases in the number of new Renaults, it makes you wonder why there has not seen an increase in some Renault club’s membership???

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    Summary of thoughts here so far:



    - No one likes too much officialdom!

    - No one appears to want to volunteer too much.

    - Clubs should have a good Club Web page.

    - Clubs should have a Facebook page.

    - Clubs should not compete with “aussiefrogs” but “get involved”.

    - Clubs should keep producing their periodic magazines.

    - Clubs should send out E-mail reminders.

    - Clubs should advertise their activities/itineraries on Facebook/Club Web site.

    - Clubs should/could carryout surveys via Facebook.

    - Clubs should not be “Brand Specific” (Maybe combined State French Car Clubs).

    - Clubs should not aim at running a 100% correct activities (Most consultancies aim for 90%).

    - Clubs could/should visit some modern car events/get togethers (Nulon Nationals, Mighty Car Mods National, Drags).

    - NOT EVERY MEMBER HAS TO ATTEND OR LIKE EVERY CLUB EVENT/ACTIVITY.

    - Oldies could volunteer their time to help Learner “youngens” get their hours up for their licences.

    - Early morning monthly short no frills (or thrills) “Drive and a Burger/Pie” get togethers (Remembering that “youngens” aren’t flush with $s). Just nominate a meeting place and rough arrival time. Last Sunday of each month? No other rules or organisation, if no one turns up sometimes, so be it.



    General comments??? J


    Would be good to see more comments from the “youngens”. J



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    SEAC runs way more club events than the rest of SA combined. Shows what you can do with some enthusiasm and having their own Autocross track also makes a huge difference.
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    I found much the same situation in France. Some of the reasons include the changing nature of design and usage. A GM survey in the US showed a decline in adolescent interest in saving for their first car, there are higher priorities in getting connected with iphones, tablerts, computers, internet and the not inconsequential cost of services provided. This shift in priorities has also hit the fashion industries. In this era (ex-Trump) of environment concerns, it is not cool to be flaunting a polluting device. The increasing pressure to remove vehicles from urban concentrations and the limited availability of off street parking is shifting travel preferences to feet, two wheeled and public transport.
    Car design to meet restrictive legislation has lead to designs not suited to mechanical repair outside well equipped workshops. Consumer demand has driven reliability design to reflect that of domestic appliances. In the eyes of the majority of car owners it is such an appliance and its service is left to professionals. To further restrict uncontrolled access to the components related to safety and other legislation, the manufacturers try hard against consumer protection legislation to restrict the technical information and special tools required for repairs as well as the parts. Older cars are pushed off the road by stringent testing and by the termination of component supply after 15 years.
    The mutual technical help that was a feature of pre-computer cars is in these circumstances not practical and not needed. The result is that there is a population of cars pre 1975 which attract collectors and whose owners, ageing with their cars, enjoy Clubs that keep the interest alive. The newer cars do not have much relevance but many marque enthusiasts still feel loyalty and buy the modern offerings. In many cases they are deluded by the marketing hype into believing that contemporary offerings have real values related the history of the marque. This is a particular issue for "French" marques as Citroën are restyled Peugeots, the platforms are shortly to be integrated with Opel and Vauxhall products and even rebadged as GM or Holden. A Renault sits on a platform shared with Nissan, Samsung, Dacia ++ and shortly Mitsubishi.
    We all face time constraints as the new communication and entertainment technologies soak up the hours and in part replace the need to go out on a winter's evening to drive or an hour to a Club meeting. Much of what used to be face to face activity is now more easily done with larger groups available on demand when the moment is available. I pointed out once at a meeting of the Amicale de Citroën Internationale that "Clubs" like AF were gaining more traction than the traditional Clubs in Australia and opening the doors to direct international participation. They need to be taken into account in looking to the future Amicale but the conservative management seem to have chosen to ignore the changes.
    I thing we have to look to the consolidation of existing Clubs and ensure their survival by using the internet tp keep the relations between those of common interests expanding, just as they diminish in the local scene.
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    Having just started my first car project at 52 I wonder if it's because land is expensive now and free space and time is a premium .I have begun converting my carport into a lockable garage and my whole block is 300 sqm .it seems people are too busy working to maintain their mortgage and lifestyle.
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