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    Hi,

    For the first time in months and many dead ends later it looks like the Matra Jet 6 is a bit closer to reality.
    We have just learnt that it is "no problem". After all the road blocks it sounds almost to good to be true but we should remain optimists. When I say "we" I mean me and my son, Jacques. This will be a joint venture.

    To re-post after the big fall I am posting pictures of the actual car we are waiting for. This specific one is car number 139 of 222 Jet 6's ever built. Build year is 1966. Motor is 1255 cc Gordini with Estafette 4 speed gearbox, mid engine with true independent suspension. Discs on all fours with dual coil overs on the rear wheels. I have seen claims of 216 km/h top speed in the years when 6 cylinder Holdens and Valiants and Falcons could not even hit the ton. To learn more about these special little cars, Google is a good stop over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    Hi,

    For the first time in months and many dead ends later it looks like the Matra Jet 6 is a bit closer to reality.
    We have just learnt that it is "no problem". After all the road blocks it sounds almost to good to be true but we should remain optimists. When I say "we" I mean me and my son, Jacques. This will be a joint venture.

    To re-post after the big fall I am posting pictures of the actual car we are waiting for. This specific one is car number 139 of 222 Jet 6's ever built. Build year is 1966. Motor is 1255 cc Gordini with Estafette 4 speed gearbox, mid engine with true independent suspension. Discs on all fours with dual coil overs on the rear wheels. I have seen claims of 216 km/h top speed in the years when 6 cylinder Holdens and Valiants and Falcons could not even hit the ton. To learn more about these special little cars, Google is a good stop over.

    I will update as soon as possible.

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    I am deeply envious. Ever since I had a ride (not a drive) in the blue Melbourne one in the early seventies, I have wanted one. They are far superior to Alpines. I will follow posts with interest.

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    Default Matra Djet Brochure

    The engine layout and rear suspension of a Matra Djet is certainly superior to its contempory A110, but the Djet was produced in lesser numbers, did not have same the amount of development as the Alpine, and was, as far as I know, sold only with Renault Sierra engines. As you would be aware, later versions of the A110 had the R16 engine with up to 1800cc.
    The attached RSAE Newsletter includes a Matra Djet brochure which may be of interest!

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    Build number will be a problem for panels, glass & so forth but I don't think the motors will. Frans will convert if he wishes. Anyway the A5 motor is a nice alternative to the 16 derived ones.

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    Hi,

    The model we're getting already has a G motor in it and because of its rarity I would like to keep it as original as possible. I might freshen the motor a bit and up the Hp but it won't be noticible from the outside. Just more driveable. (the G motor is original equipment)

    I have noticed from pictures that Rene Bonnet used a lot of innovative ideas with what was available those days. Obvious things that I noticed was Simca 1000 taillights, Renault Dauphine rear window for the Matra front wind screen, Renault Caravelle engine cover catch for the door handles, Gordini booster for the brakes, R8 discs and calipers all round, R8 front suspension and rack and pinion.

    One thing I noticed that was omited is the steering lock/ignition. He has opted for the old style key and push button system. The Dauphines and 4 CV's before 1966 had the steering lock installed at that time.

    Harrisonati.......The attachment you mentioned did not come through. Could you please re-attach?

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    Did it come from the factory RHD or did someone convert it?

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    No it should be left LH drive. Someone in ZA started the conversion and it is one of my "I don't know what to do" things. It will be nice to keep it RHD for NZ roads but it won't be original. Maybe I can get some advise from the forum members?

    There is only one RHD model from the factory and it was specially made for the Marquis in England at the time. This car has been restored and is still on the register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    No it should be left LH drive. Someone in ZA started the conversion and it is one of my "I don't know what to do" things. It will be nice to keep it RHD for NZ roads but it won't be original. Maybe I can get some advise from the forum members?

    There is only one RHD model from the factory and it was specially made for the Marquis in England at the time. This car has been restored and is still on the register.

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    You must judge according to what is important to you. Were it to be me then I would say that it is already fiddled with & if what has been done is well enough done to finish off then I'd do it. One wonders what RHD rack was used. Best solution is a standard 3.7:1 with a 1.5:1 reduction gear steering quickener (as recommended to me by, I think, you). I find them magic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    No it should be left LH drive. Someone in ZA started the conversion and it is one of my "I don't know what to do" things. It will be nice to keep it RHD for NZ roads but it won't be original. Maybe I can get some advise from the forum members?


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    I would also go with the premise that although it isn't original, if the conversion has been done reasonably I would leave it RHD. If I bought an over 30 years old classic car that only came in LHD, and was unconverted, I wouldn't be changing it.
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    Thankyou for the feedback.

    My idea was to convert it back to LHD. The only reason is that the guys that know anything about these cars would instantly know and see it as a mod. Maybe a lower value in $'s as well. I was even thinking of tracing the chassis number and see if it was a silver colour when new. Remember that this will be a weekend car only. It sounds like I want to change your minds for you.

    What will it do to the value of the car with these non-standard features?

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    I can email this specialist in England again and get some detail from him about the rack. If it is a standard R8 then it would be easy to get a LHD one and a set of pedals from Europe if that is the way to go.
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    Here is the brochure refered to by harrisonati. It loses a bit reducing it to <100K.

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    Here are some photos I took in France in October, 2004. The detail pics are all of the green car.
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    Hay great pics ,that upper mounting for the shock coil over looks a bit light on ,interesting gearshift linkage ,also it would appear that the crossmember under the gearbox is bolted so you can drop the engine gearbox out the bottom ,love these cars ,PUGS

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    Here is an article from Classic and Sports Car with some interesting info (in English) about the Djets.

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    Thanks Bob this is really nice to have. I think I'll print it because there is info that can be valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    You must judge according to what is important to you. Were it to be me then I would say that it is already fiddled with & if what has been done is well enough done to finish off then I'd do it. One wonders what RHD rack was used. Best solution is a standard 3.7:1 with a 1.5:1 reduction gear steering quickener (as recommended to me by, I think, you). I find them magic!

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    I'll throw my into the chorus, and say that, if the conversion looks like it can be finished neatly and have at least a near-factory apperance when done, go for it- leave the car as a RHD. I mean, none of us think you'll try to pass off a fake factory conversion, the car has already had a considerable amount of work done to get it to that point, and I'm guessing you'll be driving the car at least some. You aren't committing a sacrilege by making a one-off custom that will suit your driving conditions, and the car is still quite recognizably a Djet. I doubt very seriously the car's value will be greatly diminished- for anyone in your corner of the world looking for a neat, different sort of sports car, this could easily be a deciding factor.

    Now, if the car were still LHD...
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    currently a 67 Djet 5 (1108 G) for sale in Belgium for around AUD 35k. Hmm!!

    cheers! Peter

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    That is a good price. Saw a 65 Djet V with 1300 Sierra motor for sale for 24000 Euros and the paint job is not a good gloss.

    There might be some print error as well. According to the Matra Club President and mechanic the Djet V's stopped in 65. The Jet 6 started in 1966 and up to chassis no 198 or there about was built in 66. Number 199 up to the last one, number 222 was built in 67.

    It sounds like you are tempted by this!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    That is a good price. Saw a 65 Djet V with 1300 Sierra motor for sale for 24000 Euros and the paint job is not a good gloss.

    There might be some print error as well. According to the Matra Club President and mechanic the Djet V's stopped in 65. The Jet 6 started in 1966 and up to chassis no 198 or there about was built in 66. Number 199 up to the last one, number 222 was built in 67.

    It sounds like you are tempted by this!!

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    How could one not be. After the missed GT4, I pine a bit, suffer lust & then have on attack of financial twitches. (TheGT4 would only have been 18k, not 35k & if I add the 10k transport & rego compliance figure I worked out last time, I get up to the figure that gave me cold feet about Kiwi A110's Berlinette.) Sigh!

    URL is:

    http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/...67-matra-djet/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    How could one not be. After the missed GT4, I pine a bit...
    I 'pine for this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by degruch View Post
    Kind of looks like a type 3 VW
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    Quote Originally Posted by degruch View Post
    hmm! you're messing with my mind

    i wish that i had more by way of the relevant restoration skills myself as i doubt that icould afford to get someone else to do the work - if anyone is interested, i ended up judging that shipping and other transportcosts would be about 4k when i was doing sums on the gt4

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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    Kind of looks like a type 3 VW
    They're a funny looking little thing, but pretty sweet looking when restored. Cool rear stance, very Porsche 356.

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    For Frans:

    Of possible interest?

    http://www.automobile-catalog.com/model/matra/djet.html

    cheers! Peter

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