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    Hi from the UK!

    There's a mystery car that was featured in a UK newspaper the other day that has got everyone stumped. There is a picture of it here:

    http://tinyurl.com/78j89

    There are lots of theories circulating as to what it is..some people think it's Citroen in origin, Lancia or even Ford.

    I have a theory that it may be Australian. Does anyone recognise it?

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    Looks p'chopped actually. The grille inlay looks all out of place and I don't mean ugly. It to me looks tacked on

    Looking closely I think that is where they have blanked out the reg' plate.
    Looks to have some Lotus Elan in the bonnet but apart from that I just wouldn't embarass myself to try and guess.
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    absolutely no idea but in a weird way kinda looks like my old Datsun 240k
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    The front view looks like an Aston Marton plastic prototype that got too close to the heater, and the rear view has touches of a Triumph spitfire, and also a Fiat Fastback. A bigger close up of those wheels might help as a clue, but the running gear might be something pretty ordinary. It would be interesting to know what it is, but it doesnt look French to me - looks like one of the many specialist British limited run vehicles built on some fairly standard running gear (with an extra carbie or two thrown on, .20 thou of an inch ground off the dipstick, and custom hubcaps.) Good on somebody for trying anyway !
    (We can guess that they never recovered their R & D costs)
    BTW its a 1939 Panhard Autobus, and if you look very carefully there's a Citroen Traction (approx 1 pixel x 1pixel), approaching from behind the guy who's about to get on the bus.

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    Gotta go italian myself, looks like a fiat prototype, maybe lancia, cetainly ugly.

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    Default Jowett Jupiter special.

    I have the sneaking suspicion that it is a Jowett "special" based on a Jupiter chassis. See attached.

    http://www.jowettjupiter.co.uk/jup_pix.htm

    On reflection It does resemble a CV8 Jensen in the side widows.
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    I reckon it might be a Tatra. They look like air cooling vents at the back
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    I doubt that its a Jowett Jupiter based special here is a pic of Jupiters at Burnie last year the Jowett wheel centres are larger.

    could it be a Dorettii ? (Triumph based) or a Ford Capri with a mid engined v6? the plot thickens.
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    -of all things, I was thinking about this car in the middle of the night,(along with other assorted topics: the movement in the engine/gearbox mounts in my car, the dripping from the neighbour's guttering, the delapidated roof on my place.... ) and just had to have another look at the photos this morning.

    The photos have been taken with a moderately wide angle lens and have distorted the proportions somewhat - the view from the front and the back look like two different cars (although that is not helped by the fact that the hatch, the tailights and the bonnet area appear to have been designed by three different people who were not allowed to see what the other two were drawing.)

    Just interested Barrymung, why you think it may be of Australian origin? -is there some feature that no-one on AF has noticed?, or just some 'gut instinct' thing?

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    BTW its a 1939 Panhard Autobus, and if you look very carefully there's a Citroen Traction (approx 1 pixel x 1pixel), approaching from behind the guy who's about to get on the bus.

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    The front looks very much like a Panhard.
    It may have been a prototype from when Citroen got involved in 1955.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arunine
    The front looks very much like a Panhard.
    It may have been a prototype from when Citroen got involved in 1955.
    Yes it does look like a Panhard 'around the mouth'
    BTW its a 1939 Panhard Autobus, and if you look very carefully there's a Citroen Traction (approx 1 pixel x 1pixel), approaching from behind the guy who's about to get on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbage tree
    Yes it does look like a Panhard 'around the mouth'
    Yes, my first idea was Panhard until I recalled that they were front wheel drive with very bulky front hubs. The wheels look '60's or '70's and English?
    Kit bodied Austin Allegro or Triumph Toledo ?
    The grille has a Tatra look about it.

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    A stupid skin job on a sad MoT failure Skoda S110 Coupe. The rear tail lights are early BMW E3, the rear quarter panel is an add on extension(as is the rest of the body).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbage tree
    -of all things, I was thinking about this car in the middle of the night,(along with other assorted topics: the movement in the engine/gearbox mounts in my car, the dripping from the neighbour's guttering, the delapidated roof on my place.... ) and just had to have another look at the photos this morning.

    Just interested Barrymung, why you think it may be of Australian origin? -is there some feature that no-one on AF has noticed?, or just some 'gut instinct' thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pug206gti
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    dear cabbage tree, you must not have so much coffee before beddy byes. It will lead to terrible thoughts, like those above.
    Thanks for the friendly advice - but who told you about my caffeine problem? -I thought I'd been doing a great job of keeping it from well-meaning family and friends.
    (the other brown liquid)
    BTW its a 1939 Panhard Autobus, and if you look very carefully there's a Citroen Traction (approx 1 pixel x 1pixel), approaching from behind the guy who's about to get on the bus.

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    The wheels look like they come off a Fiat 128 Coupe. Very wrong...
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    The wheels looks like Lancia, like a late model Fulvia or Flavia steel rims. The tail lights sort of look like they are off a Lancia Beta Coupe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    The wheels looks like Lancia, like a late model Fulvia or Flavia steel rims. The tail lights sort of look like they are off a Lancia Beta Coupe.
    Agreed. The side windows look like they're off a Capri, and the rear wings are Spitfire. It looks about the right size to be on a Spitty chassis too.

    Ugly though...
    ...and this, from one who runs a 12 year old XM as his 'sensible' car...

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    G'day,

    it may be a Photoshop special mk1.
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    2 Door Coupe,

    Gaping 'open mouth' Front Grill,

    Wierd Proportions,

    Massive Front Overhang,

    Butt Ugly....

    Might be the new 407 Coupe prototype

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    Seriously, I was actually thinking it was just a VW kit based on the late model superbug...

    The wheels look like an early Porsche 924 rim and the rear side windows look like a bugs...

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    Default what the hell is it.........?

    I m really curious as to what this car is all about.....Yes its but ugly....What is the story though?

    Some clues are obvious.....yes they definitely look like lancia beta rear lights (I had one).....the rest is a total mess....
    It appears to be right hand drive (maybe the aussie supposition).....appears to be rear engined (esp considering minimal front inlet and rear vents)
    Wheels look Italian but am not sure.....Identifying these would go a long way in identifying the platform......
    So what the hell is it......Rear engined, right hand driven, lancia lights, bodywork that errs back to late 60s early seventies prottypes yet glass work and surrounding thin framework is late seventies......

    http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicleLi...5/default.aspx

    I searched most of this site....but came back empty handed............

    I d say............one of the many possible conclusions is that it was a home made jobbie on a rear engined platform like fiat(850??)maybe (beetle???seems a little long, not sure??)......But that still doesnt explain the windscreen, doors and that awfull bonnet and guards............They are very simple in their design, which might point to the fact that they are also home made (ease of construction)......
    The other possibility is that infact it was just an engine/chassis testing mock up designed to completely fool the media.....hell....could be a porsche or fewrrari under the skin....one can never know without popping the bonnet and having a good look at the finer details.......Im having trouble identifying the door handles let alone the platform.............

    interesting nevertheless......


    cheers


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    This fugly mystery car is surely a one-off cobbled up by a demented home panel beater in England, circa 1975.

    It's likely to be VW-based - no front air intake is a big clue all the "it's a Ford" or "it's a Lancia" etc desk experts have missed. Too big to be a rear engine Fiat, Renault, NSU or similar. I'd guess there's what was once a humble VW Type 3 underneath it - or just maybe a Skoda. Vents at the back and opening glass are further clues.

    I think Simon from WA is right about the early BMW E3 tail-lights. The rear guards may look a bit Triumphy, but are not.

    There's nothing production oriented about this pig of a car. Not even kit-car. Don't offend French car designers by suggesting it's a prototype Citroen, Panhard or anything else. In fact, don't offend any car designer anywhere, by suggesting it's anything other than one very, very tasteless man's idea of something stylish.

    There. That's my 20 cents worth!

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    ......hmmm.....there is ofcourse the Karmann Ghia.....I reckon one could easily turn one of those coupes (even convertibles) into the above freak-show.....hmmmm





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    Quote Originally Posted by dino
    ......hmmm.....there is ofcourse the Karmann Ghia.....I reckon one could easily turn one of those coupes (even convertibles) into the above freak-show.....hmmmm



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