407 hdi particle filter additive, wanted to buy

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Anyone know of a 407 hdi being wrecked ? I need the container of particle additive,as well as the reversing sensors and front bumper buffer LHS. Geoff.
 
I assume you know you'll need to get someone to reset the additive ECU so it knows it's no longer empty. I'd expect that if a car has been written off it would probably have done enough kms for the additive to be largely consumed anyway, so buying used may not be worthwhile unless you are aware of what you are buying. It's probably the same part as used in some Citroen's, but the filled volume froom the factory will vary from model to model.
 
Hi my407 did 180000km before it needed additive so a wreck with 70000km would be fine if I got the stuff for say $200 then to reset ecu perhaps another $150?
 
follow the link I provided....and remember there are at least 2 different types...do your homework on which sort you want, but the info is all there if you chase it up...and the DPF filter is apparently washable or also available on ebay UK for £150 or so...ebay UK is the place for pug/cit parts as they are as common Corollas in the UK so aftermarket parts abound vs the Australian "upmarket" dealer bulls*it. Local dealer wanted $950 to refill fluid and $2000 to replace DPF in exhaust....do it yourself for $500 or less every 150,000kms...only problem is dealer has to reset low fluid warning light
 
The 3 litre refill kit that suits most C5's retails for about $300. You don't replace the rigid tanks, but C4 uses a disposable bladder that will probably not be empty even when the car thinks it is (Note: It infers usage rather than actual measurement of usage). That bladder used in C4's is for some reason about double the cost of the 3 litre refill kit. I can't see where the $1K is going for a bladder change, unless the Pug pricing is much higher than the equivalent Citroen parts, many of which share identical part numbers.

I'm surprised the refill kit could be posted from the UK as I would have thought it would be classed as a hazardous material.
 
dunno where you get it for $300..I rang 2 Citroen dealers and both want $1000+ for the bladder and almost $600 for the 3 litre kit like Im selling for $200 (and are very hesitant to sell it)..anyone can go and check if they like..I think you might be talking about a 1 litre of the earlier fluid, but believe me I did my homework before buying from the UK...unfortunately didnt do my homework about not being able to fill the bladder, but Ive bought a bladder from the UK for a lot lot lot less than locally
 
Particle filter additive

Hi, can you tell me what the particle additive does? I will try and find out what type my container is, solid or bladder. Geoff
 
small dose get injected in to somehow change the burn temperature higher or lower (not sure) which somehow makes the pariculants able to be captured in the filter canister in the exhaust pipe. without it the canister will clog up...read big $$$$ to put a new canister in (like $1500/2000)...the reality with this fluid is you'll probably have to do it once in the life of the car, but I imagin in most cases like mine it greets the second owner fairly soon in ownership (I saw the warning when I bought the car and knocked $600 off, then got the quotes and nearly had a heart attack as the Pug guy gave me the full $1000 + for the fluid, $2000 for the filter rave...if you get it early the filter should be OK...if not get em from the UK for about $400)
this story applies to most new diesels as it need to be there for pollution laws. You cant remove it as computer will go into limp mode. Some guys in the UK remove and reprogram the computer but it costs as much as the fluid/container so not much point.

You've probably got the white container as most do...I was unlucky
better pics at ( the middle pic is in sideways to confuse it)http://www.glodark.co.uk/peugeot-diesel.htm
 
David S said:
The 3 litre refill kit that suits most C5's retails for about $300.
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not according to 2 Citroen dealers Ive got a quote from...$600 odd and $1000 for the bladder, and they aren't keen on selling or giving any info.....one guy at a top Pug dealership said he'd never heard of the stuff and had no idea what I was talking about(ie fobbing me off as a DIY)..ring and see if you want to find out
 
i hope everyone realises how carcinogenic this stuff is, dont let it touch your skin! when dealing with additive its "advised" to wear a full body suit!
 
Capago said:
i hope everyone realises how carcinogenic this stuff is, dont let it touch your skin! when dealing with additive its "advised" to wear a full body suit!
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all of the guides on how to do it clearly state the dont touch skin, and wear gloves. Its also a very thin liquid like ink, so be careful of splashing, but the whole procedure is done with sealed pipes apart from pouring into a one litre bottle to start with.

Also the container is in a plastic bottle underneath the car with a superthin aluminium cover on it...one decent rock and the cover is gone leaving a plastic bottle for the next rock....one feels if it were that hazardous it would have to be proteced a LOT better than that
 
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A small dose is injected into the fuel every time you fill the tank and coats the soot. The aim seems to be to assist in soot agglomeration (i.e. make it a bit stickier to give a large particle to catch) and to lower the combusiton temperature when the particle filter has it's periodic burn off or regeneration.

The particle filter is a ceramic matrix with a very large surface area. It's an impressive item, but is expensive to replace, although you would find information on possibly cleaning them on YouTube - use with care and consider the material as hazardous. I would NOT do this at home.

The amount of soot captured isn't actually weighed or measured directly, but rather inferred from the driving conditions since the last regeneration. Regeneration is triggered when the driving conditions allow (i.e a regular decent run helps if you only ever potter) and the soot loading has reached a suitable level. There is a differential pressure measurement as a backup trigger for the regeneration.

There is a small dedicated pump and ECU (mostly) and as the pump is probably not very good at varying the dose, the Eolys will possibly go further if you fill the tank rather than just topping it up.

No Citroen's were sold here with a particle filter prior to about 2005, so it eliminates the earlier DPX42 fluid from the local mix. I'd expect it's the same for Pugs, unless they were earlier users of the FAP here. Cars would have used 176 and then changed to Infinium and Powerflex (as the eBay listing suggests), depending on the model. The coloured caps noted are part of the connectors for the additive system. You can't mix Infinium and Powerflex, but they are designed to mix with 176.

As to the cost ... the Eolys 176 filling kit is more expensive than the Infinium kit, so Stuart's represents a useful saving for someone with a rigid tank. It still won't get around the need to reset the additive ECU, which needs dealer help.
 
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HDI particle filter

Thanks for the info Dave. Very interesting. I still think my 407 wagon rear shocker and spring unit is the same as your sedan. Cheers Geoff.
 
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