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    Thought i'd join the bandwagon and start a progress thread, instead of bottling it up and feeling sorry for myself when it doesnt go to plan

    Bought it as a 1991 205 GTi 1.9 in alpine white, with about 150,000km on it in 2010. Working as a 1st year pug apprentice i thought it would be a good car for me and i liked the car, only recently introduced to peugeots through my dad buying me an s1 405 mi16 for $1100. it ran out of rego and it needed too much work to be rego'ed again. namely seatbelts and an oil leak. so it was cut up for spare parts and scrap metal, and i kept the front cut as i knew it would come in handy at one point. it had 310,000km

    The car remained unmodified for the first 6 months, had fun beating lads in vr commodores with a cannon and one day a bad temper got the worse of me and the diff went dropped the clutch getting out of a car spot, on full lock, taking the gearbox with it.

    Took the car to a local mechanic who was a mates family friend. took out the engine and gearbox and stripped it for $250. saved me doing the work and was a good price. unfortunately he became very busy(forgot how to put it back together) and wouldn't work on it for about 3 months or so, and conveniently remembered i had the 405 as a half cut at home, so i undertook the mi16 conversion not out of desire but out of necessity to get my car running again.

    Bought a 2nd hand gearbox off a highly regarded forum member (name withheld unless they want to come forward and got alot of assistance from another highly regarded forum member with the engine wiring harness and general advice for mechanical direction. slowly did it over a number of saturdays at his workshop outside in his yard, did a timing belt, water pump and 2 tensioners on the s1 mi16 motor before it went in.

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    Slowly but surely as my knowledge built from working on pugs (now a 3rd year pug dealer mechanic), i've done more and more to the car. Currently stands with a new (to me) engine computer, an Autronic SMC, so the wiring and some plumbing is a bit messy for now, but you get the general idea

    Short term goals are to install a shortened radiator, modify with a built in bleed screw and filler neck/cap, remove the standard header tank, install a modified alloy water inlet at the back of the block, and tidy up/move the wiring under the intake manifold (and blank off the idle controllers inlet while im there, maybe add in a seperate port for the map sensor instead of tapping into the fuel pressure reg line. and get it running properly.... needs a tune asap!

    long term goal is a terrrrbroow and fit a manual steering rack (ac and p/s was taken out for simplicity, and is the trend. simple, lots of space for other mods

    Pics below are of the car as i bought it, putting the mi16 engine in, the donor car i bought on the cheap and stole some interior parts and some other bits, a very primative setup soon after i got it home (with a coffee style cloth as an air cleaner!) and how it stands now.

    the engine has about 350,000km on it now, still hauls ass and not making mayonnaise! although i suspect this will be short lived..

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    - XU9J4Z Engine (89 405 Mi16)
    - Shortened Inlet Manifold
    - 2.5" Custom Catback Exhaust
    - Autronic SMC 1.92 Management
    - Magnecor 8.5mm Competition Spark Plug Leads
    - Spoox Motorsport Oil Breather Hoses
    - BakerBM Shortened Air Intake Hose
    - BakerBM Coolant Hoses
    - BakerBM Group N Engine Mounting Kit
    - BakerBM Group A Rear Beam Mounting Kit
    - Gaz Adjustable Front Coilovers w/ BakerBM Group N Rubber Mounts
    - Gaz Adjustable Rear Shock Absorbers
    - Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing Differential w/ Redline Lightweight Shockproof Oil
    - 309 GTi Steering Wheel
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    Nice work mate. White 205s are the best IMO
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    Cheers mate although admittedly i think mine will need a respray. I was thinking about filling in the dents with a mobile remover or a lick of bog/primer, then having it vinyl wrapped. either in white, miami blue or the grey t16 colour, with white compomotives, until i decide on colour
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    change of plan, time for a rebuild! i think it deserves one after 350,000km..

    time for a new aftermarket computer (already has one). ran like a bag of s*** one day, not at all the next. getting spark and fuel, timing is ok, belt is ok. noticed oil coming from between the head and the block...
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    just the subframe off and it will be ready to come out. very saddened by what i found in the intake manifold
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    bought this VB commodore as an inbetween car. 2 grand, 250,000km on the clock, 4 speed manual, 173/2.8L big red lump of metal, 1 year rego. LPG...so slow!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capago View Post
    bought this VB commodore as an inbetween car. 2 grand, 250,000km on the clock, 4 speed manual, 173/2.8L big red lump of metal, 1 year rego. LPG...so slow!!
    That is horrific! But I kinda like it.

    My mate used to own a burgundy station wagon VB. Worst and funniest car at the same time.


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    But to give credit where it's due, the thing will run forever.

    I can use it as practice for bodywork as well, rather do it on this than the pug
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    Just don't have a crash in it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capago View Post
    bought this VB commodore as an inbetween car. 2 grand, 250,000km on the clock, 4 speed manual, 173/2.8L big red lump of metal, 1 year rego. LPG...so slow!!
    Thats a good crapper. It will appreciate in value as they become rarer and rarer.

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    ^ Too true
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    The same suspension is in my 205.

    What weight front coils are running ???



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    Quote Originally Posted by Capago View Post
    bought this VB commodore as an inbetween car. 2 grand, 250,000km on the clock, 4 speed manual, 173/2.8L big red lump of metal, 1 year rego. LPG...so slow!!
    i had a VH as an inbetweener once

    had around the same mileage on it

    5 spd, 202 so a big 3.3L

    bought it for $800 from a woman who needed the $$$'s for DUI fine

    had to keep the flashlube up to it though but it just kept on bloody going, awful to drive but kept going

    sold it 6 months later for twice what i paid for it and the bloke that bought it couldn't believe how good the gearbox was in it, i ran G70 nulon in it and it was the best part of the whole car
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    Not sure what weight the springs are, there tucked away at the moment and would take ages to get out, but its whatever they came with when i ordered them..200 pounds or something?

    my crappers not to bad, depending on who you talk to, they say its 2 grand too much, or its worth 5+, 20 in 10 years time. someone who appreciates holdens told me how good the gearbox was, how clean the seats were, how straight the body was and how little rust was in it. might not be so bad after all
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    Keeping busy, finally got round to getting the motor out and apart. craneless engine removal, removed the front suspension, dropped the car onto bricks, 2 foam camping mats under the engine, release mounts, jack up car, engine out the side!

    Cameron's 205 Mi16 Build-img_2731.jpg Not the reason (i suspect) for its non-starting, but glad i got to it when i did!


    Cameron's 205 Mi16 Build-img_2732.jpg bit of corossion, doesnt look overly bad down the side of the liners. is it me or do they look crooked?

    Cameron's 205 Mi16 Build-img_2744.jpg timing belt went on the last owner of the 405 (long gone!) but unsure if they had the valves replaced from bendature, look alright..

    Cameron's 205 Mi16 Build-img_2746.jpg im sure i'll forget what goes where. the fun hasnt even begun yet!
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    Not a fan of these liner contraptions..
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    Dont sit the head face down with the cams in, you can potentially bend the valves.
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    Get the block grit blasted, just around the liner seats, no where else. Then a dip the parts washer with all bungs removed. You can then make a judgement call on the condition of the seats.

    If ok, sit clean liners on the seats, without o-rings, and you can measure the liner protrusion.

    Deck block and/or liners as required to ensure liner is perpendicular and protrusion within spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Wuillemi View Post
    Dont sit the head face down with the cams in, you can potentially bend the valves.
    whoops! noted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    Get the block grit blasted, just around the liner seats, no where else. Then a dip the parts washer with all bungs removed. You can then make a judgement call on the condition of the seats.

    If ok, sit clean liners on the seats, without o-rings, and you can measure the liner protrusion.

    Deck block and/or liners as required to ensure liner is perpendicular and protrusion within spec.
    Wont forcibly removing the bungs damage them if being reused? or will the parts wash/acid wash destroy them?

    by eye they actually look ok, but will get them cleaned wednesday. otherwise i still need to sort a receipt out for the iron block i bought a while ago
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    I mean the two oil gallery bungs, not the welsh plugs.

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    im not 100% as to what your referring to, do you have a picture?
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    There's one at each end. How can you clean out the bock thoroughly if you don't unscrew them? Any glass left caught in there will destroy your new engine in seconds.
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    Ah ok was going to pull them out, not sure if I've got a large enough socket. I've taken out all the other plugs

    And glass? Soda blasting?
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    UPDATE: absolutely nothing at all, except my purchase of a new motor because the old one is trash, is now delayed due to a very badly slipping commodore clutch! ebay special and put a for sale sign in the window.
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