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    Hi Robmac,

    Thanks for the links. I appreciate your tit-bits and advice.

    I've got three sets of crimping tools.
    A Vise Grip brand set, great for cutting and stripping consistent lengths of insulation from the flex. They are useless for crimping. (Bottom)
    A crimping only set, that weren't cheap and they too are useless. (Middle)
    The best crimping pliers I have, are a cheap $15 set from JayCar. Success every-time and they just crimp. (Top)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano View Post
    Hi Robmac,

    Thanks for the links. I appreciate your tit-bits and advice.

    I've got three sets of crimping tools.
    A Vise Grip brand set, great for cutting and stripping consistent lengths of insulation from the flex. They are useless for crimping. (Bottom)
    A crimping only set, that weren't cheap and they too are useless. (Middle)
    The best crimping pliers I have, are a cheap $15 set from JayCar. Success every-time and they just crimp. (Top)
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    Cheers,

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    Dano,

    The easy, belt and braces fix, is to carefully solder the crimped area, use a nice hot iron and heat "the work" until the resin core solder, applied to the work flows right through the joint.

    Be sparing with solder on those tab type QC lugs intended to fit the plastic housings, 'tho.

    Perfection in connection every time.

    edit:

    Unless you are achieving crimps like the below, every time, I'd solder as well

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    One loom is almost finished. As thought, the process is time consuming. Does not help, when someone kept placing a hot soldering iron down on the heat shrink or blows hot air onto it. Mmmm, wonder who that could be? Problem solved when the correct tool rests are used.

    The terminals are being soldered once crimped, this should prevent any oxidisation of the terminal wires.

    The pictures below show 3 of the 4 terminal types that are used. Male 4mm round is the only missing one.



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    Marty 404, Denamnu and his Dad dropped in for a gander and a bit of a chinwag this morning. These guys are always good company.
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    I've never managed to find an exact match to the 404 style bullet male/ female connectors.

    Altronics and others stock a close match

    Connectors | Bullet Male - Altronics

    http://www.altronics.com.au/connecto...=bullet-female

    I'm sure you are running a few wires for future use: wink2:


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    Lots of fiddly work but your results are great.
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    Robmac,


    The closest I've found are these from Autocables at Rocklea, Brisbane. Contact | Auto Cable & Accessories


    URL link for terminals. Uninsulated Crimp Terminals - Quikcrimp (Carrolls) | Auto Cable & Accessories
    Brand: QUIKCRIMP Part No. BM1-5



    Brand QUIKCRIMP Part No: BF1-5

    They come in packs of 100. Ranging from $7-30 to $12.00 per pack




    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    I've never managed to find an exact match to the 404 style bullet male/ female connectors.

    Altronics and others stock a close match

    Connectors | Bullet Male - Altronics

    Connectors | Bullet Female - Altronics

    I'm sure you are running a few wires for future use: wink2:


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    It has taken nearly a week of solid work, but the wiring looms are finished. Originally, I thought there was only five looms, but there is actually six. Forgot about the one that runs from the main dash loom out to the engine components, i.e. starter motor etc.



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    It was good to have an array of old looms to reference back to, as the wiring diagram in the owner’s manual is for a left-hand-drive vehicle. A few of the wires run differently in the right-hand drive models.

    The attachment of the terminals, numbering system soldering and heat shrinking was tedious, but rewarding in the end. It would be a pain in the rear end, trying to trace wires to wherever, when installing the looms and the relevant componentry.

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    It was always intented to use the original plastic terminal connectors, but that idea was ditched, when it was found that a number of them had started to perish through age and overheating in the past.

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    Two had to be kept though as they are the ones that connect the looms to the dash cluster.

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    Another issue incurred was because the wire sizes have been increased; this made it difficult to fit grouped wires into the old terminal holes without applying too much pressure to the casings. Where the main power supply cables run through connector blocks, they were rerouted to bypass the smaller connector blocks. Originally the plan was to simply use screw terminals, but they just didn't look right.

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    Eventually these wires were run through 50amp NAVRA terminals.

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    A bit of over kill, but the best solution found at a number of auto-part retailers. The increased wire diameter is a precautionary measure. Although the original wires have lasted 50 years, there was the previously mentioned issue of overheating and shorting in the looms.

    All the firewall and body grommets are NOS Peugeot fittings.
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    The roof of Belle, makes a great place to store the cables.

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    Currently I am kicking around the idea of running tandem 404 fuse boxes. It does make a lot of sense. Although maintaining originality keeps nagging at me, maybe modern wiring logic and safety will outweigh my thoughts. Time will tell.

    I would like to thank ROBMAC’s for his invaluable advice and suggestions. It is always good to have someone to bounce ideas off when you are not sure. This is one of the best things about being a member of the A/F forum.

    Another job ticked off.

    Cheers,

    Dano
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano View Post
    It has taken nearly a week of solid work, but the wiring looms are finished. Originally, I thought there was only five looms, but there is actually six. Forgot about the one that runs from the main dash loom out to the engine components, i.e. starter motor etc.



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    It was good to have an array of old looms to reference back to, as the wiring diagram in the owner’s manual is for a left-hand-drive vehicle. A few of the wires run differently in the right-hand drive models.

    The attachment of the terminals, numbering system soldering and heat shrinking was tedious, but rewarding in the end. It would be a pain in the rear end, trying to trace wires to wherever, when installing the looms and the relevant componentry.

    Attachment 102379

    It was always intented to use the original plastic terminal connectors, but that idea was ditched, when it was found that a number of them had started to perish through age and overheating in the past.

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    Two had to be kept though as they are the ones that connect the looms to the dash cluster.

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    Another issue incurred was because the wire sizes have been increased; this made it difficult to fit grouped wires into the old terminal holes without applying too much pressure to the casings. Where the main power supply cables run through connector blocks, they were rerouted to bypass the smaller connector blocks. Originally the plan was to simply use screw terminals, but they just didn't look right.

    Attachment 102380 Attachment 102382

    Eventually these wires were run through 50amp NAVRA terminals.

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    A bit of over kill, but the best solution found at a number of auto-part retailers. The increased wire diameter is a precautionary measure. Although the original wires have lasted 50 years, there was the previously mentioned issue of overheating and shorting in the looms.

    All the firewall and body grommets are NOS Peugeot fittings.
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    Currently I am kicking around the idea of running tandem 404 fuse boxes. It does make a lot of sense. Although maintaining originality keeps nagging at me, maybe modern wiring logic and safety will outweigh my thoughts. Time will tell.

    I would like to thank ROBMAC’s for his invaluable advice and suggestions. It is always good to have someone to bounce ideas off when you are not sure. This is one of the best things about being a member of the A/F forum.

    Another job ticked off.

    Cheers,

    Dano
    Impressed Dano, I still bear the scars from rewiring my TA years back in the UK. Time taken on pulling wires was as nothing compared to the the time taken to fettle / refurbish all the fittings they went to.
    It’s a job on the list for the current TA which cannot be avoided.
    Regards Rob


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    After trying a test area yesterday,
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    Thinners is now being applied instead of gun wash as previously used, as it works better. The difference in price is minimal in the scope of things.

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    In some places, the coating is thin and surface rust is evident; in other places, it is quite thick. The thinner areas are easy to strip back, but the thicker areas is like spreading molasses around with a rage.

    The process is; spray the surface with a mist bottle to help soften the surface first; then apply a good soaking of thinners with a rage, which is wiped off immediately. If not, it solidifies almost instantaneously. This process still leaves a slight firm, which is being left in place until the whole chassis is finished. At that stage a final rub down with steel-wool and clean thinners will be done to remove the residual primmer.

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    Having the car up on the rotisserie and being able to work without stretching or stooping makes the task a little more pleasurable.

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    My old mate Murphy struck again today! It does not matter how many tarps/rages you put down, you will still end up getting crap on the floor.

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    Based on today’s efforts, I guess I am looking at another 4 - 5 days to finish stripping the chassis.

    All up I happy with the progress.

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    Great progress Dan. This is going to be one very nice 404.

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    You're just bloody showing off now, Dan.
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    I was wondering why the electrical project has gone quiet.

    I was wrong to blame the hot weather.

    FWIW you inbox is probably getting filled up by now.
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    Good to hear from you again Stew.

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    Christmas has arrived early again.

    Been looking for these bits for a while, especially the rubbers. Thought I had to ask 59 Floride for his help to fabricate some. I didn't want to stretch the friendship, 'cause we still have to have a look at the steering column thingy.


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    Anyhow, the rear gearbox dampener weights came from ALVEAS and the tail-light rubbers, eBay Australia, arcadiagp. Funny hey, been searching high and low on many an obscure website and they turn up in OZ. Peugeot museum, spare parts don't even have them.

    The primer removal is getting there slowly. Hot and dirty, no filthy would be an a more apt description.

    Back to the filth...

    Cheers,

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    Hi Dan,

    Following your acquisition of so many rare and wonderful OEM and repro parts is almost as entertaining as following the physical restoration.

    And doubtless necessary for you to achieve the quality and originality of the project that you are striving for.

    Keep up the stirling work.

    cheers

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