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    I started the restoration process on my Mi16x4 today. The paint has started to peel, the mechanicals tired and there's some rust in the firewall. The car was originally LH drive and converted here in Sydney in the early '90's. The firewall wasn't painted properly so cancer has unfortunately started. First stage of the restoration process is to remove engine/gearbox/transfer case and get the engine bay sand blasted so I can see the extent of the rust. No better place to start then at the front and work towards the back. All pretty much standard Mi16 at this stage, the only notable differences being the transfer case dipstick and the clutch cable, which comes in from the front, rather than the back.

    Another pic is one taken underneath, looking towards the rear. Sorry about the phone quality. You can see the fuel tank on the RH side of the driveshaft. The third pic is taken from behind the first muffler and O2 sensor looking forward. I added the sensor when I changed over from 2 row to 3 row management. It was impossible to get the bung any further forward at the time. Note there's no cat. under there, as it was a private import.

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    VERY cool.

    Love to see more shots as things progress. What are the plans? Restore to standard original? Crazy motor? T-16?

    Would love to have driven one of these. Must be super rare in Australia.
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    It's one of those cars that needs to be original to be worth anything. Having said that, there are faults and inadequacies in the original car that can be improved upon. In the short term, I'm going to put aside the original engine/gearbox/transfer case. I'll put in a 2L engine & custom spare gearbox/transfer box to drive around in, then restore the originals. The original ratios aren't that great, luckily I have spares. You can't add heaps of hp as the transfer case is a weakness. This was resolved with the T16 but you can't mix and match T16/Mi16x4 parts. I have a new, original set of seat cloths, so it should look very sharp once it's finished.

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    Great to see a thread and some pictures on this one!

    How do you find it compared to 2wd Mi16's to drive, apart from the D6C?
    Does it feel a bit heavier?
    Would you notice much power loss through the drivetrain when driving it vs. a comparable 2wd Mi16?
    What is the power ratio front to back? 50:50?
    Sorry for the twenty questions.

    If only someone had a BX 4x4 in australia.

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    Nice work Peter.

    You have some new motivation since you started playing with your 205 I hope.

    I vote improved standard resto.



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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Great to see a thread and some pictures on this one!

    How do you find it compared to 2wd Mi16's to drive, apart from the D6C?
    Does it feel a bit heavier?
    Would you notice much power loss through the drivetrain when driving it vs. a comparable 2wd Mi16?
    What is the power ratio front to back? 50:50?
    Definitely not as brisk due to extra mass and driveline losses but is lighter to steer as the ratio is 53% front: 47% rear. Bigger top end due to slightly big cams. It has a lower 5th gear to help keep it on the boil at freeway speeds.

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    Think you are definitely doing the right thing with resto. Great stuff.

    How does she corner in comparison to a standard mi? I would imagine the rear suspension setup would be quite different?!
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    It still out handles most cars on the road, even 20+ years on. Compared to a normal Mi16, it's completely neutral until the end. The rear suspension is same as BX but with only one sphere.

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    Great stuff!
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    Great stuff, Pete, keep us up to date!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    .. it's completely neutral until the end......
    There is something mildly disturbing about the way you say that, Peter.


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    Moments? probably oversteers like any good old pug!!!

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    Its that 5th I want in my 205. keep up the good work its well worth it. Most impressed with your efforts.

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    Those 0.81:1 5th gears are hard to come by in Australia. I think diesels used them, so are more available in the UK.

    Here's something you may have not seen before. There is additional bracing between the gearbox and block where the flywheel inspection panel would normally be.

    I thought I should do a compression test before dropping the engine out. As suspected, there are problems:

    210, 210, 90, 215. With a slurp of oil it still only picked up to 120.
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    owen would be pleased to see the car returning to former glory

    great work peter
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    Excellent stuff peter!

    Glad to see a few people are mad enough to renew one of these old beats. Have you considered changing the internals in the transfer case to the ones this guy is selling http://atdperformance.com/topic1/index-en.html ?

    I'm currently going through mine and fixing all the problems + cutting the rust out while I'm still in the UK and intend on bringing it back to Sydney when I eventually move back. Got a few spare transfer boxes to bring back as well

    Used her in anger last week for the first time since I bought her a year ago... 3 inches of fresh snow on the road, Porsche's struggling to stay in the straight line - brilliant fun Quite a strange sensation feeling the viscous-coupled diff working it's magic up a snowy hill.

    Anyway, best of luck! Hope you don't find any evil rust!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    owen would be pleased to see the car returning to former glory

    great work peter
    Well said. I agree


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    An uninspiring but therapeutic day removing bits in my quest to remove the engine/gearbox/transfer combo. I didn't need grit blasting to find these holes however. They both go into the cabin. There's also hints of rust on the LH inner guard.
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    In the picture below you can see that the radiator support panel has taken a hit. It was quite hard to remove the middle bolt. Luckily Santa Claus had a new one in his bag! I can now safely cut this one out.
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    A great resto project Peter. I hope the tin worm hasn't got too far into it. Will you keep it the same colour?

    BTW-mine's got a slight bow in it too. Probably some clown using it as a jacking point.
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    Subscribed! Really excited to see the progress on this.

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    Big job Peter, I'll be watching this real closely! Good luck with it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgti6 View Post
    I hope the tin worm hasn't got too far into it. Will you keep it the same colour?
    I think the only way to tackle the job is with a rotisserie. Definitely keeping the standard colour. I found a sticker with "RAPS" on it. Could this be the code?

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    Nice one Peter, she is going to be a good one!!
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    What country did the car originally come from? Odd - how there is rust in the guards!

    Good luck with the resto - last time I saw it was back at the AFCD in 2005!
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