V8 505
  • Register
  • Help
Page 1 of 3 123 Last
Results 1 to 25 of 55
Like Tree20Likes

Thread: V8 505

  1. #1
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default V8 505

    Hello again, aussiefrogs.
    I have been secretly working ( slowly) on a 1985 505 GTi, series 2. For me!
    The idea is to build a 505 GT along the lines of the HDT /Brock Commodore of 1985. Being $165000 worth now, alas I will never own a real Brock VK.
    However the Pug 505 is a far better stock choice than the 1985 Commodore ever was.
    Surprisingly, 505 brakes as standard are within 1 or 2 mm of the race car for the road Holden. As standard.

    The project came about after assisting a a few Rover V8 builds. The 48D engine is 4.6l, 4 bolt mains and ran a Bosch Motronic system called The Thor Engine. This was the last Rover Pushrod engine reworked by BMW before they fitted BMW engines to Rangies. The inlet manifold is a work of Teutonic mastery. Serpentine belt and very compact fitting of the ancillaries gives me air con, power steer, high output alternator as well as an engine under 100 kg heavier than the 2.2 l ZDJ/LE engine in the donor.

    Advertisement


    The last 4.6l runs in a P6 B Rover track car of around 1100 kg. Distributor on points, Holley carb. Runs at Lakeside 1 min 3 sec. 6100 rpm give 142 mph ( 227 mph) but it gets there very quickly.. I will load images to my album as this iPad is confusing me. me!
    Armidillo, FIVEDOOR, Brett and 6 others like this.

  2. #2
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails V8 505-img_2128%5B1%5D.jpg   V8 505-img_2010.jpg   V8 505-sam_0981.jpg  

  3. #3
    1000+ Posts Haakon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    canberra...
    Posts
    8,657

    Default

    haha, love the collection of unis that lost the fight!
    Dano likes this.
    I tried to drown my sorrows in alcohol, but the bastards learnt how to swim

  4. #4
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    canberra
    Posts
    831

    Default

    Stew,
    The 505 sounds like a good complement to the 404 .
    would you like to share a photo of each with us please ?

    is your renamed website back up ?

    Colin

  5. #5
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Hi Colin. I have no website. I have a backup of the images though. That broken yoke on the table was only the 2.2 in second gear and no boost. 404 sedan and 504 lsd rear axle.
    I keep breaking things, Mad Pug Cousin, Colin.
    I have found an Album I made to share with the V8 idea’s. I will sort out a web address or such once I understand what to do for our Aussiefrogs site.
    I intend to run 2 x tail shaft support bearings in my reworked torque tube. Tomorrow should allow me to begin using a very late 505 sedan tail shaft to remachine and fit.
    Series II 505 cluster is set for 8 cyl tachometer. 3.08 diff gears done in LSD.
    Running with the Rover SD1 auto. A Borg Warner 65/66. ( larger BW 35 the 504/Falcon Taxi/ Ford V8 could use.) I have made the BW 65 end housing into a flanged output using a 503 BA7/4 gearbox end housing cut and then fitted onto and welded by an Airframe Welder to make the Pug torque tube match to the BW 65. BW 65 outer casings, are not the same as BW 35 , unfortunately. ( curses).
    Last edited by stew; 3rd May 2019 at 08:09 PM.

  6. #6
    1000+ Posts driven's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    1,407

    Default

    Time for a 9" diff, you will have no problems

  7. #7
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    I found 250 ft lb in third will destroy the bearing between input and main shaft, also tore a welded spigot off a tail shaft, bent the 404 torque tube as well. It has a lot of rear grip. 4" wider across the rear track, you see. I turned down boost to a max of 8 psi for 210 ft lb at 4000 rpm. It is just on the limit for the drivetrain. I could go auto and exposed big tailshaft and torque arm but that takes the sneaky old cruiser feel away.

  8. #8
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

  9. #9
    1000+ Posts robmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Melbourne / Caulfield
    Posts
    18,747
    fnqvmuch and Kim Luck like this.

  10. #10
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Hi Robmac. I guess your post means mine linkink, she no workin? I am old, feeble and 4 eyed with dirty glasses. How might I get my piccies up in a betterer way?

  11. #11
    1000+ Posts robmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Melbourne / Caulfield
    Posts
    18,747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stew View Post
    Hi Robmac. I guess your post means mine linkink, she no workin? I am old, feeble and 4 eyed with dirty glasses. How might I get my piccies up in a betterer way?
    I have two possible suggestions:

    1) Try the copy/pasting the link to where your piccies currently reside (ie cut the info in your browser address bar, with the pictures currently displayed in your browser, if you have already done this try the next option.

    2) Create a free drop box account. Once you do this the setup will create folder on your PC "dropbox". Anything you put into this folder will be hosted and synced on dropbox. You get choose what is shared. You can remove and add images at will. A word of warning it's prudent to keep original images in a different folder.

    You can share individual piccies or an entire folder. The links to them reside on dropbox and they are with the images/ folders.

    It harder to explain than actually use.

    https://www.dropbox.com/register

  12. #12
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Clear as mud! Shall dive in immediately.Me get box thing! Ok OK.

  13. #13
    1000+ Posts robmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Melbourne / Caulfield
    Posts
    18,747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stew View Post
    Clear as mud! Shall dive in immediately.Me get box thing! Ok OK.
    This is worth reading first: https://help.dropbox.com/

  14. #14
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

  15. #15
    1000+ Posts robmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Melbourne / Caulfield
    Posts
    18,747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stew View Post
    Check your folder sharing, the links takes me to DP login screen.

  16. #16
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    OK. Thanks man. I may try tomorrow to get my work onto the AF site. Seems to be wasting my time at the moment.
    Ta

  17. #17
    1000+ Posts robmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Melbourne / Caulfield
    Posts
    18,747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stew View Post
    OK. Thanks man. I may try tomorrow to get my work onto the AF site. Seems to be wasting my time at the moment.
    Ta
    Time wasting is the very nature nature of computers and associated learning curve that goes with them.

    AF's draconian file size limits are likely to be a limitation. And in view of the highly variable connection speed that AF experiences.

    To preserve your sanity, I would persevere with drop box, spend some time reading the help pages and it become clear as mud in a beer bottle.

  18. #18
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Mmmmmm Beerrrrr. Ok Ok

  19. #19
    1000+ Posts robmac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Melbourne / Caulfield
    Posts
    18,747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stew View Post
    Mmmmmm Beerrrrr. Ok Ok
    Hi Stew,

    Presumably by this stage you have a "dropbox folder" on your PC and also have a folder within the DP folder with your images contained in it.

    1)Right click the folder, within your DP folder, with your images in it on your pc

    2)Select " share" new box opens

    3)select link settings - check "anyone with link"

    4) repeat step 1

    5) select "copy dropbox link"

    6) now navigate to AF and use paste to put the link onto AF


    You should end posting with link similar to this:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3jighquuq...s6EV7gDPa?dl=0

  20. #20
    Real cars have hydraulics DoubleChevron's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Ballarat,Vic,Aust.
    Posts
    16,326

    Default

    a 4.6 rover motor running boost ...................... and it still works Someone has spent some serious money on that motor at some point I'd say. It must have a top hat block and decent liners.... and a very aggressive camshaft compared to the one used for lugging around a 3ton 4wd along with whatever its towing.
    'Cit' homepage:
    Citroen Workshop
    Proper cars--
    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I
    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/citro%EBn-forum/90325-best-project-car-you-have-ever-seen.html
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

  21. #21
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Sorry Double Chevron, I have a NA v8 project on at the moment. The boosted engine is 2.2 505 engine in my 404.


    Sent from my iPad using aussiefrogs

  22. #22
    Real cars have hydraulics DoubleChevron's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Ballarat,Vic,Aust.
    Posts
    16,326

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stew View Post
    Sorry Double Chevron, I have a NA v8 project on at the moment. The boosted engine is 2.2 505 engine in my 404.


    Sent from my iPad using aussiefrogs
    why not buy a cheap commonbore and move an all alloy LS series engine and 6spd gearbox sideways to the 505. They are readily available in utes (that are usually banana shaped from being wrapped around lights, posts, trees, gardens, roads barriers .... or anything you can skid backwards into ).
    'Cit' homepage:
    Citroen Workshop
    Proper cars--
    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I
    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

  23. #23
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Quite a few reasons really. I am doing a C4 Corvette with this idea. It is very difficult to do just with the size of the Engine and trans. And I can tell you the LS block is light and so are the heads but no where near the lightness in the last Rover pushrod. The LS and 4L60 are very big compared to the D48 engine and BW 65. Have a look at the donor car build I did. Looks like it is supposed to be in there. Also the starter on the LS is on the drivers side. So is the Rover, but with less bulk. I have the engine within 25mm to the left of the vehicle centre line. If you have a chance, look at the act of desperation, HSV did to fit ex pipes past the power steer valve and starter in a VT, you can see my quandary. The 505 is smaller than a VT as well.
    It started with a 4.6 , 4 bolt main engine I was involved with. Holley, points dist in a Rover P6B. The torque we got from that, let the 1100kg car do 140 mph at 6000 rpm at Lakeside. My engine is going to 6700, with full engine management and much more cylinder head development. The goal is the balance and poise of the best 505 touring car. Perhaps around 1100 to 1200kg plus my modest frame and within 300 to 310 ft lb at
    6000 rpm. Something to keep my brain ticking, really. Intake, Exhaust port speeds , Mapping the ECU. That sort of thing. Got myself a water brake Dyne to reseal and set up for this engine.
    Last edited by stew; 6th May 2019 at 07:16 PM. Reason: spelling
    Demannu likes this.

  24. #24
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Robmac, what does "DP folder "mean, please Sir?

  25. #25
    Fellow Frogger! stew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    brisbane
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    a 4.6 rover motor running boost ...................... and it still works Someone has spent some serious money on that motor at some point I'd say. It must have a top hat block and decent liners.... and a very aggressive camshaft compared to the one used for lugging around a 3ton 4wd along with whatever its towing.
    Yeah I have spent some money and a lot of time. 20 plus hours each cylinder head and I am still putting them back together. Block is the very last BMW Rover V8 pushrod edition.

Page 1 of 3 123 Last

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •