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    Default Ray's Grenouille Verte R10 !!!!

    I have been convinced today that I must start a thread on the R10.

    It will be a slow build, and nothing fancy such as a Resto or Rebuild. It will be just stuff I do to up grade the car to where I want it. And I am not going to give a frame work as to what I want to do. It will be spur of the moment, and as I have time to do things.

    OK, the car. The papers say it is a '68 R10 with 1108 motor in it. It came from the east, brought over by a friend, who thought he wanted to get into classic cars. I feel he had been done by the seller, as he was told it had been resprayed and was in good condition, and had a very recent warrant of fitness. Running wise it went well, needed a proper service and tune up. But it was an oil leak on wheels, it had stone age tyres on it, that were very cracked on the sidewalls and treads. It ran very warm and did not like long uphills. Pulled to one side, and even worse when you got the brakes to work, and one front and one rear calipers and the master cylinder were leaking. So it needed quite a bit of work to get a road worthy for registration in WA.

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    Motor and gearbox came out and and all the brakes were stripped off and parts were bought, full set of seals rear and front wheel bearings. When I took the boots off the side shaft tubes a mug of oil fell out of each side. So it was all cleaned and serviced and painted and re-assembled. A rad recore was done as it was very blocked. I also pulled the fuel tank as everything was out and had it dipped and cleaned. New top bushes in the front suspension. So in reality it was a mechanical re-build. When I got it running and went for a test, I was most impressed with the change in character. It was a very nice car to drive, and it went over the pits whit a pass first time, and the guys were most impressed, in particular not a drop of oil.

    My friend drove the car a bit, but I think it was not what he wanted and the outside did look a bit rough. And I think he fell out of love with it. Also he had not put it on club plates so it cost a lot each payment time for a car that was sitting. So it was put up for sale, I made a reasonable offer which was refused, so I left it alone. Then it came up for sale again at reduced price, and after 2 weeks I sent him a text reminding him of my offer, he came back and accepted, and we did the deal. and so I have a classic car that is on the road, and Saturdays and Sundays are set aside in the workshop to do my Grenouille Verte.

    And so it has started!!!!

    Ray

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    The first thing I have done to the car is remove the front seats. I love R8/10 seats, but when they have collapsed they are difficult and expensive to rebuild as the re-upholstery is costly. The back seat is serviceable for the moment.

    March or so, last year I stripped a blue R17, and it had a very badly treated set of Ricaro's in it. But I put them on the shelf for a rainy day. At Christmas I was looking at them and pulled them down and gave them a good vacuum and clean. They came up very good, so they were put in plastic bags and returned to the shelf. I had intended to rebuild a set of classic Renault Boutique glass fibre buckets for the R10, which were in the container, but then this thought came into my head and the light bulb turned on. Use the Ricaro's for the 10. So on Saturday I made some adapters to fit them to the existing mount frames. And now we have very nice seats in the Green Beast. It was a rainy day and I used what I had.

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    I now sit a bit lower in the car, and in total supported comfort, they are very nice !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    The first thing I have done to the car is remove the front seats. I love R8/10 seats, but when they have collapsed they are difficult and expensive to rebuild as the re-upholstery is costly. The back seat is serviceable for the moment.

    March or so, last year I stripped a blue R17, and it had a very badly treated set of Ricaro's in it. But I put them on the shelf for a rainy day. At Christmas I was looking at them and pulled them down and gave them a good vacuum and clean. They came up very good, so they were put in plastic bags and returned to the shelf. I had intended to rebuild a set of classic Renault Boutique glass fibre buckets for the R10, which were in the container, but then this thought came into my head and the light bulb turned on. Use the Ricaro's for the 10. So on Saturday I made some adapters to fit them to the existing mount frames. And now we have very nice seats in the Green Beast. It was a rainy day and I used what I had.

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    I now sit a bit lower in the car, and in total supported comfort, they are very nice !!!!!

    Ray
    Never had a sore back going interstate in the '67 R10 with the low back seats, just loved them! But I never had a spare set of Recaros lying around back then! They seem to fit really nicely!
    It's another lovely day! Again!

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    Today I used part of the morning to fit a micro switch unit for a stop light switch at the foot pedals. I had made the unit a few weeks ago, and it was sitting on the workbench.

    I hate with a passion the pressure switches as they normally need a decent bit of line pressure to work the switch and hence the stop lights. And although my friend had fitted a new switch, it was still taking some time to come on. With the micro switch as you are taking up the play on the master cylinder the lights come on. Far better and I am much happier. All my other rear engined car have had this mod done, and I know there has been discussion on AF about it. Quick and easy and much safer !!!

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    Hi Kim,
    I know, I never had a set of Ricaro's lying around neither until last year. I will admit I have always loved the comfort of the R8/10 seat on a long trip, and I have done quite a few. But the form fitting comfort of the Ricaro's works very well with my mature body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    Today I used part of the morning to fit a micro switch unit for a stop light switch at the foot pedals. I had made the unit a few weeks ago, and it was sitting on the workbench.

    I hate with a passion the pressure switches as they normally need a decent bit of line pressure to work the switch and hence the stop lights. And although my friend had fitted a new switch, it was still taking some time to come on. With the micro switch as you are taking up the play on the master cylinder the lights come on. Far better and I am much happier. All my other rear engined car have had this mod done, and I know there has been discussion on AF about it. Quick and easy and much safer !!!

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    I don't know whether I should tell you this but a few of the rally cars I have navigated in had a switch that disconnected the brake lights. Absolutely amazing results when another car is right up your backside.........
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    Ray, since both switches are so close together, why not wire the original in as well.
    I'm not saying your mod will fail, but you never know and its only two little bits of wire.
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    John - I just don't like the pressure switches !!!!

    Never had a microswitch stop working - yet.

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    Odd, Ray, this year I had a really frustrating intermittent failure of the brake lights. I had fitted a microswitch (there's a thread somewhere I think) a couple of years earlier, agreeing with you about the sometimes poor performance of the pressure switches. My lights now come on before the brakes.

    Anyway, it's all a bit fiddly in there and I had the whole thing in and out three times, testing all the bits separately, and all was always perfect until I reassembled. Then it would be u/s. "Bugger" many times!!

    It was the microswitch in the end, and a new one fixed the problem. It is the first time I've seen one fail.

    I haven't connected the pressure switch in parallel either.
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    Reverse Lights ???

    I have lately been doing quite a bit of driving at night because I now have the lights and hooters running off of relays, and they are just so nice. But one bug bare has been no reverse lights on the R10. So there were a whole box of spare lights in the R12 I sold last year, and in the box were a set of well used reverse lights for the R12. So I stripped and cleaned and plated all the parts did some repairs and they were back together.

    So I installed them in the rear panel, and did all the wiring to get them to work. Then came the bracket for mounting a micro switch at the gear box nose. Spare box out measure all and start making brackets. Eventually last week my plater was back from a long Christmas break. So on Saturday morning I did the nasty and installed the switch system. And connected.

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    You are a pussycat, Ray!

    My R10 and all my rally cars used a Hella 550 as a reversing light. 75k km/h (at valve bounce) backwards at night anywhere......
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    Hey Kim,

    I am an "Old Man" and all I want to do is see where I am going at night when reversing ............ !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    Hey Kim,

    I am an "Old Man" and all I want to do is see where I am going at night when reversing ............ !!!!

    Ray
    So did I!
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    Thanks for the detail on the switch Ray, I was thinking of adding reversing lights on the R8G and Alconi.

    Its a problem reversing around the race car collection sometimes when I want to get one of the Renault fleet out of the shed without turning on all the she lights. I tend not to valve bounce at 7,500 when reversing unless I forget to lift off the accelerator. Short term memory loss another problem when we get older.

    BTW, is that white R10 with the red stripe an Alconi clone ?

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    Do I have to clear the workshop completely before taking pictures..... !!!

    No the White R10 is a seized 1108 with all standard fitting, that has been standing for about 10 years and is now being revived for a client. He and I have ideas for it down the road. But the immediate plan is to get it running again, to have fun with. It is extremely good condition just that it has been standing for a while.

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    Sorry Ray however it was hard to miss if you have a soft spot for interesting 10's. The colour is the reverse of mine which is red with a white stripe so it grabbed my attention. I look forward to seeing the specs when that project comes together. Maybe a supercharged 16TS motor ? Bretts project could prove to be a reliable unit.

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    Neat switching Ray. I run mine off the spare rocker switch under the steering shroud - radio one way, reversing light the other! Needed it last night, as it happens. I'll be in touch about your plater too!

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    Grenouille Verte has a new Steering Wheel

    Thought you would appreciate the rebuilt steering. It was the one I had in the Off-Road car, and all the water and mud had made it very second hand, and the rough work had it rather rickety. And so when the R10 came along it was ideal for this project. I had to remove all the rivets on the old spokes, and put in some incannel rivets so they would not react with the alloy and would not rust, what was the problem with it before.


    Then to recover, and what style. Graeme's G had a nice bought wheel with black suede and red stitching, which looked very good but not the suede, and I like 2 tone. Found leather in my bag and did some trials to get a picture, and the style of stitch. and it all came together. Then the actual making of the sleeve and spats. I am not cleaver enough to make one piece spats. But if this was good enough for old Ferraris then it is OK for Grenouille Verte. The hand stitching is murder on the eyes and hands. Last weekend I started the "lacing" and after 3 hours my eyes and hands were so sore, I finished when the top segment was completed and all the spats were done.



    Yesterday was a 40C day here, and they said today would be hotter, so I took off Australia Day to complete the steering. I will admit I am very happy with the outcome. It looks "hand made" but I like that, just adds something.... !!!


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    a beautiful thing you've made. a steering wheel that looks
    and feels good makes a real difference to driving pleasure,
    so well worth your suffering!
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    Background to Grenouille Verte

    The green frog is a clone of what we had before.

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    In the late '60s my friend in Johannesburg bought a "round light" R10S, partially on my advise. She then became my "girl friend". And on many visits to Jo'burg we went out in the R10, and although I had driven many before, I began to like the R10S very much. "Ming" and I began to like each other very much and became very close friends. She worked for a consulting engineering company, and was offered a position in the Salisbury office in Rhodesia. Which she accepted as she wanted to be closer to me and see the new country. Ming brought her R10 with her. We drove the car all over the country visiting all the fantastic country. 2 years after her move we became engaged, and 6 months later we were married. At that time I had the Yellow R4, and because the R4 had more room in it that was used for our long trips and the R10 was our 'town car'.

    Ming eventually sold the R10 to buy a '58 Chev Impala Sport Coupe, very rare in Southern Africa.

    As I always liked our R10, in particular the way you could drive it in the Jo'burg traffic. So when the opportunity of having another R10 came along I snapped it up. I will keep it in the similar frame of the original, but the clone will be in metallic emerald green, with bright white roof and flash. 14x5 Brahim 3 piece wheels, 1.4 Alconi motor, and 4 speed "big box". Aluminium radiator and oil cooler. And of course Alconi badges on the "C" pillar. I have everything I need, just time........

    Things are happening !!!
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