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    Default ID19 Safari Restore

    Started restore in July under jameswalmann. Is this the forum to use to ask for help on removing rear quarter windows, fix malfunctioning turn signals, etc.?

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    Welcome to Aussiefrogs; you'll find some of the answers will come from your countrymen, too.

    Don't let the Australian sense of humour rock your boat too much - we're a nation of stirrers.

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    How did you get a 1971 ID19F?
    After 66 all ID sold stateside were 21.
    You found the correct forum. We're all here. It's a good place to be.

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    And welcome to the Dark Side. Don't pay any attention to Addo. He's one of.....................them.

    Any electrical problems you have, you can talk to me, Addo, or Robmac. Others on here too can give you specific points to look at. Greenblood and DS21BVH, for instance.

    Is your car US or Euro market? Or split the difference and come from Canada?
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    Thanks. Can't get enough of any humor when working on a Cit.

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    Got me good! My Safari is an ID21 FH. I've been calling it an ID19 for months. Had to check my title and registration and Insurance... all good as an ID21. Got it in my mind that I had the 19?? cc engine, hence an ID19. Great to know there are knowledgeable people out there. "Worked" on my 1971 DS21 Pallas in a vacuum back in 1988 and 1999 not knowing there were Cit people, especially as close as the San Francisco Region Citroen Car Club in my own back yard. I published the SFRCCC newsletter for 5 years, until rust got the better of a Massachusetts Pallas that had migrated to Berkeley.

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    My Safari is US, but I'd love to install my Pallas steering wheel (now a floor lamp) on the Passenger side and confuse the hell out of people who don't know what a Cit is in the first place. Driver ID car?

    Electrical... smallest problem I have now is the turn signal (which worked before I removed the rear fenders) just does a flicker on the reinstalled left rear fender. Maybe because the front and right rear turn signal lights aren't reinstalled yet?

    Biggest problem... previous owner said sometimes after the Cit has been driven awhile, it won't start (but will with a jump.) Haven't driven it enough yet to find out.... just around the compound to keep it flexible until I can get all the body panels stripped and fixed and put back back on so I can get it to a shop in Tucson to get engine and hydraulics checked out... brakes not up to snuff.

    There is an "extra" live tail light socket behind the left rear fender. What's that all about?

    I've posted some pictures under jameswalmann. Should they be posted here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jameswalmann View Post

    I've posted some pictures under jameswalmann. Should they be posted here?
    Welcome aboard

    Yeah, it does make more sense to post your images within your post, that way we can see your progress.

    In your reply, go 'advanced', 'manage attachments'. . .

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    Nice retro trailer!

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    That's going to be a DS wagon with cross flow radiator and header tank and air horns. DS23 ?? We never got airstreams out here.... I don't htink the old DS would have a hope of dragging that down the road

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    1974 Airstream that I converted into a Green Bay Packer Man Cave just in time for the Super Bowl XLV win.
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    ID21 1971. So it says on the VIN plate. Does have air horns (??? on working) but don't know what a CFR or HT is. Previous owner said it had some DS pedigree. Does have inboard turning headlights. Getting it painted GM-11 White... Maybe a Ghostbusters SW with a Packers interior.

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    Earlier Dees had a conventional "downflow" radiator like many cars from the Model T onwards. The larger engined and later cars had radiators with a brass tank either side, their cooling system replenished by a remote mounted "header" tank with the radiator cap on it.

    Air horns often need a clean of the motor and compressor parts, then they're good again. Don't know if they're Fiamm Roadmasters or something else.

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    Default Stripper

    Let's see if I can get a picture attached, because normal stripper couldn't dent the 16 or so coats of paint on the roof. So I found out about Klean-Strip Aircraft Paint Remover. Better, but.... Then I found out about NAPA's Martin Senour Paints Specialty 6802 Water Rinsable Paint Remover. WOW. Still takes 2-3 applications, but it gets the job done. Fans, goggles, gloves, air filter mask, etc, but worth the time saving but expensive stripper. Good new... it works well at 60 degrees F (because winter is coming and this ain't going to be done till spring.)
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    Radiator does have a tank mounted on the top of the engine with a radiator cap. I guess I would call it a reserve tank. I'll check on the air horns. Loved the City and Country horns on my Pallas RIP.

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    6802 didn't work too well today at 50 degrees F, but then even with 14 or so coats of paint, I had high hopes. Dang. Took me about 5 hours and 6 coats of 6802 to get the right rear fender stripped. Pretty ugly underneath... several Bondo repairs with rust, some repairs where the sheet metal had been drilled and pulled out and a crack that will require the backside to be reinforced. But nothing major beyond the usual rust and dings. Besides the heavy white and thin black coats that really resist the 6802, there is also another tough red coat that probably was added during a repair. The left rear fender was much cleaner so I would have thought that one of them wasn't original, but then the layers of paint are very similar except for the red layer. Tomorrow I can work on repairing the panel, but then I off to Tucson for 4 days. At best I can only get 2-3 days a week to work on the Cit.... with the holidays and a vacation (retired people take vacations too) coming up, at best I may only get a panel finished every two weeks. And there's upholstery and interior and electronics and engine and hydraulics and the chassis, etc. Spring will be here before I get it rolling. But that's OK... I have my shed converted to a garage.... actually the Break Room.

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    Our Tucson D guy is living on a boat in Chula Vista these days. The Phoenix area is now a dearth of service. Flagstaff: real good guy in Flag, but he hides. Just like me.
    Sierra Vista has an interesting guy who likes the SM and other weird stuff: he doesn't run a shop but he is a resource. There is also a married couple who own two SMs in Tucson.

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    Yeah, maybe seen 1 or 2 Cits in Tucson in 10 years, outside of the 2.1 shop that had a few Cits in the yard... and that disappeared 5 years ago. Phoenix has a few Cits I hear. I used to think that you had to be in a Citroen to see another Citroen. That worked well in San Francisco where there were 30 or so Members of the SFRCCC (a quite a few non-members) back in the '80's. I saw some Citroens down in Bisbee a few years ago... maybe even some TA's... in someone's yard. Have to go back down there and check it out. Better get cracking!

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    Sanded and grinded rust off edges of right rear fender on Wednesday. Back was hurting too much to start on the outside surface. Need more Bondo. Anyone have a better solution? I'm going to have to up my game to make this panel as smooth and flat as the left fender... considering all the dents and old filler. But I'll be traveling until Xmas, so I won't have much time to finish this panel until January.

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    Finished sanding off rust on outside of feet rear fender 2 weeks ago... then went on vacation. Will try to publish pictures. May not have time to start "fixing"/preping the panel until next Monday.

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    Default Safari backing up

    https://youtu.be/BPorYDo3sZYLet's try a YouTube video, though it might be too large

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    Default ID19 Safari - A real one - U.K. Spec

    All the best with your Safari resurrection!

    Here's a recent photo of our family 1963 ID19, has been in the family since 1970, now cared for by my older brother, who is keeping it maintained but finding specialist assistance is becoming more difficult as the years progress.
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    A Beauty Bruce. I wanted a dark color, but because I'm afraid a dark color would highlight all my sanding and painting imperfections, I'm going with white.

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    10 days in Mexico..... when will I ever see my Safari again???

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    have you been kidnapped? We can probably email your embassy and let them know for you!

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