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    Looks slow.

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    maxi, you would still be trying to make the torsion bar rear end work versus double a arm.
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    Back to the build thread...

    Is there anyone interested in the Pedal Boxes?

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    Maybe, for the 309, what are the details?

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    Back to the build thread...

    Is there anyone interested in the Pedal Boxes?

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    Not cheap. We are 100% in.

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    Brett Watters new someone in Oz that imports them. Brett, any chance of getting prices?
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    Patpug, there is no better feeling than passing a E46 M3 race car down the main straight of Wakefield Park. Just wait till you experience it!
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    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    I'm spoke to them yesterday about it.
    They are checking if they can still source them.
    MOQ use to be 5.
    They are checking if smaller quantities can be done.
    Bathurst______2 57.22 Sandown_______1 35.29
    Mallala_______1 22.90 Phillip Island____1 56.41
    Winton_______1.43.90 Collingrove_______38.08
    The Bend_____2 21.96

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    Thanks Brett.

    So are these a made to order product then?

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    Very interesting to hear everyone’s ideas on race car building. It’s great to get advice from you lot - thanks!


    We are definitely both 205 fanciers - we realise that we could build a more competitive car for half the price or better if it was Japanese, also, building the car to our specs is half the fun. Speaking of fun, yes, that is what this is all about, not winning anything. We want to race CSCA initially because the bar is low as far as the budget goes to get driving quickly, but we also don’t want to spend stupid $s or lock us out of possible future events, hence this 3J compliance business. Not to mention the how cool it would be to have a few 205s all racing together!


    I am now pretty confused about the regs - it seems all roads lead to CAMS 3j Improved Performance apart from CSCA which is pretty much anything goes within only a couple of areas like engine capacity and tyre type - but even then it’s pretty easy going.


    MRA Super TT (which correct me if I’m wrong is the class Parry races the endurance races under) states in their 2011 Vehicle Regulations: “1. All cars must comply with the relevant CAMS category rules that the car was built to.” So doesn’t that mean we are bound by 3J for that too? Parry?

    So the short story is (I think) we build the car with 3J cage, pretty much everything else is free so rose joint suspension etc.


    Anyway, off to talk cage design and regs with Huw now so lets see what comes of that conversation…
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    CSCA class we run translates back to 3j as well
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    Yeah, so how does Parry's car get in with no dash, door cards, CAMS schedule J compliant cage etc etc? Is it to do with when the car is log booked?
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    Ok, so it looks like there's going to be some serious monkey bars in there...
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    Pat, my car is designed around AASA. Not CAMs. AASA is bring what you have basically.Good bunch of guys, relaxed atmosphere. Not cut throat rule changes every year CAMs stuff
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    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Cheers Parry - I think we are going down the route of max chassis stiffness allowed under 3J for cage design and chassis reinforcement and that's where we will finish with CAMS.
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    Parrys car would be in R3 in csca
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    Quote Originally Posted by patpug View Post
    Ok, so it looks like there's going to be some serious monkey bars in there...
    Yep!

    Weve decided that the cage will be designed for Cams if we want to change our minds or compete in Cams racing gigs. Besides that the main things we wanted to achieve were safety and chassis stiffness so the cage is being designed around that. Top x section as well as a rear x section. Also will be triangulating the front turrents back the the firewall with a brace across the turrets. As its and 'early model' we can add these sections. We are waiting to hear back from. Few people to confirm.

    Anyway, its all going to be a good learning experience as has proven so far. And did we mention we also sant some fun!!

    Once all the seats, harness, steering wheel and pedel box are decided upon, the engine gets a trial fit too. This will then allow us to tKe the car up to Huw to begin work on our seating position ( we are almost the same height) and the bars in the engine bay.

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    I have two options one is fabricated to order and uses the existing pedals.
    The other one replaces the pedals but will be more expensive to import due to price and bulkiness.

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    Thanks Brett.

    So are these a made to order product then?

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    Bathurst______2 57.22 Sandown_______1 35.29
    Mallala_______1 22.90 Phillip Island____1 56.41
    Winton_______1.43.90 Collingrove_______38.08
    The Bend_____2 21.96

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    Hi,

    Just wanted to inform you that we've had nothing but problems with the obp pedal boxes.
    Main faults are the master cylinders and -4 line's + poorly designed.
    With the race cars we build and maintain here we've had 3 obp master cylinder failure (replaced them with girling cylinders fixed!), the worst of which was a front brake cylinder that failed on the track in a customers car.

    I feel sorry for anyone who's purchased one of these pedal boxes, there JUNK!

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    Are the pedels themselves ok just not the hardware?

    Happy to buy local stuff to replace the hardware...

    Cam

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    If you are going with IPRA compliant you have to go for a over hung pedal box if you are fitting a pedals and cylinders
    Bathurst______2 57.22 Sandown_______1 35.29
    Mallala_______1 22.90 Phillip Island____1 56.41
    Winton_______1.43.90 Collingrove_______38.08
    The Bend_____2 21.96

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    No IRPA i believe

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    Hi,

    I wouldn't use the obp master cylinders, try and source some girling's to replace them if your going down this route.
    But make sure the shaft has some end float in the cylinder or your brakes will get stuck on as the fluid won't return!
    There's nothing worse than paying event entry fee's, travel costs etc and not being able to compete due to the failure of a brand new part.
    + being the brake system this brand new part could kill you or right off your toy.

    The other main problem is crimped fixed length (1m+) -4 resey to master lines that fold easily if you try to coil them up (which they shouldn't)
    If you try to shorten them using -4 fitting's you will the hose isn't really -4 as the ptfe inner liner wall thickness is to small, hense it will leak.
    You will have to make custom new lines from scratch to suit your application.

    Other things you will need to do to run the obp pedal box:-

    -Reinforce the floor your bolting it to substantially
    -Make a new throttle cable
    -Modify the throttle pedal to accept a cable
    -Make sure the balance bar in the brake pedal slides correct(if not modify/polish)
    -Set the links the correct distance apart on the balance bar so it doesn't bind up on the pedal but also not too lose
    -Remove all pedals and grease pivot shafts
    -Select the correct master cylinder size's for the brakes!!(the smaller bore cylinder out of the two should be plumbed to the front as it makes more pressure than the bigger one. Don't get this wrong!!)
    -AND MOST IMPORTANTLY SET UP THE BRAKE BIAS (THIS WILL PUT YOUR CAR IN THE WALL IF IT'S NOT SET CORRECT)!!!!!

    Also it would be a good idea to weld some bolts in from the back to mount the master cylinders to make installation/servicing easier

    A lot of prating around for a supposed plug and play bolt on component

    I would highly advise you get it fitted buy a professional workshop with motorsport experience and not try to do this yourself!!

    BE SAFE!

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    Thanks a lot for the information. Its things like this that save guys like me and pat lots of time and money.

    We are truly lucky to have professional and experienced help with our build. All if the above mentioned 'tricks' will be looked at and applied.

    Looks like its best to buy the base and build it up. Something I had a gut feeling about.

    Thanks again!

    Cam

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    Hi Cam,

    If you haven't already ordered the obp pedal box why don't you take a look at the compbrake.com dual cylinder conversion.

    Would be a lot easier for you to fit and its cheaper!
    I've not used one before so I can't vouch for it
    As before just make sure you get real master cylinders

    Rally design also used to do one for the 205 20 years ago not in their catalog anymore but could probably still supply (most parts made in house)

    Good luck

    Nick

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