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    without the cut outs in the tubes that stick up from the rocker cover you will have to use the latter system anyway.
    This is the "system" you can use the Toyota plug boots on. The boot are a snugly fit the plug tubes. And any off the shelf female plug lead connector fits the extender/adapter.

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    This makes for very well sealing system, far better than original. Everything is off the shelf. And you can use, well insulated and sturdy 9 mm silicon sheathed plug leads.


    The early bayonet system plug tube, tend to fill up with water and arc over.
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    Default Plumbing Sorted.

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    I muddled thru. Based on the thermodynamics (cool water drops to the bottom of the radiator) I surmised that subsidiary circuits (manifold, carb, heater) must have a circuit that follows suit so I hooked them up accordingly. e.g the heater connects to the back of the head so the other pipe goes to the lower rad hose.

    The aluminium thing is a radiator header tank as I'm using a 505 radiator

    I had an issue with the clutch master cylinder; the pedal travelled ~30mm before making contact with the piston in the master cylinder causing clutch drag, thus making gear selection notchy & 3rd gear was not available at all. I posted about that in the general Peugeot section as it's more appropriate there.

    Just cables to do now & the last bits of wiring & I can attempt to start the engine & give it a run in the paddock

    I'm using an alternator with a built in regulator so I have to get my head around what to do with the old wires.
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    Default We have a runner!

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    A couple of embarrassing hold ups:

    1. I found out the hard way (via coolant pouring out of the exhaust manifold) that 504 inlet manifolds have TWO vacuum ports.

    2. My dog picked up the distributor cap & HT leads off the workshop floor as a trophy & nicked off. There are many hiding places on an acreage, but I found them eventually.

    It drove quite well but I have to wait for an exhaust system to make sure there are no extraneous noises. It changed gears perfectly but the brakes still have air.

    The heater spewed coolant out the tap but I'll just bypass it.

    None of the pilot lights work so I have to remove & suspend the dash AGAIN to sort them out. At least the speedo cable will be easier to connect. I checked with an hand held pilot to make sure it was charging & the oil pressure light went out.

    Next step is to trailer it to the local exhaust gurus then the paint shop.
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    Well, it appears the exhaust supplied is not orig. So they are making one up to suit.

    I've told them the tailpipe exits behind the RH rear wheel.

    Did they have some sort of mudguard behind the rear wheels/

    I've seen all combo's : none, heavy rubber flaps & conventional
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    Default It's Exhausted!

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    All new from the eng pipe back

    They were perfectly OK re clearances around the eng pipe.

    One single muffler tucked up nice & high before the rear axle

    I told them the tail pipe went on the outside of the jack point but they were adamant that letting it out between the rear cart spring shackle and the jack point was safer & stronger.

    I have to admit it's a much neater result than some of the internet tail pipes I've seen!

    Supplied & fitted for $300.
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    Nice one, George.

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    Default Air Cleaner & Rear Mudguards

    OK!

    I get the feeling ( via the sales brochure) that they left the factory with NO fixtures to stop mud flinging off the back wheels.

    Am I correct?

    I highly doubt that the Holy Fathers of VicRoads will allow that to pass for registration.

    I'm leaning towards a pair of simple things like you see on flat tray utes eg Falcons etc with struts to keep them rigid.

    The 504 air cleaner was obviously not meant for the 404 eng bay.

    Mounted as per the fittings, the oil reservoir makes access to the brake master cyl reservoir next to impossible & it fouls the bonnet hinge/spring.

    I'm thinking of making an adaptor plate from 3mm thick steel to mount on the 4 rubber blocks then drill it to take the oil reservoir forwards & slightly twisted to the right.

    What have others done?
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    Hi you can fit a 404 air filter quite easily just cut the rubber base to suit the dual throat carb you may need a 404 rocker cover.
    The rear mud flaps are very basic sheet metal with a single strut I have two pairs both bent beyond use.

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    Default Onwards!

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    I haven't been able to get a decent brake pedal but I've tracked down the problem: poor quality front flexible hoses.


    I described it in the Technical section as it applies generally.


    I didn't get any 404 air cleaners so I had to preserve with the 504 unit.

    I made a template out of 3 ply & then made an adaptor plate with 2mm steel. (3 would have been overkill!) It's drilled to pick up the 4 rubber blocks on the rocker cover and then I welded in the 3 mounting studs for the oil reservoir.

    As you can see, I had to move the cleaner forward & rotate anti-clockwise a bit to clear the bonnet hinge/springs and allow access to the brake master cylinder reservoir.

    It works well but looks a bit off TBH.

    I'll see if I can live with it. If not, I'll cut it down into 2 much smaller adaptor plates for the front & rear mounts.
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    Hi That is a 404 air filter the 504 filter is drum shaped . from memory the 404 filter needs to rotate closer to the fire wall.
    Don't forget to fill filter with oil to the level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    Hi That is a 404 air filter the 504 filter is drum shaped . from memory the 404 filter needs to rotate closer to the fire wall.
    Don't forget to fill filter with oil to the level.
    Marty, Australian 504s used the oil bath air filter also, until the introduction of the twin-carb motor, about 1977.
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    You can plonk a 504 top into the 404 base.

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    OK!

    This assembly came with the motor (2L 504) so I assumed it was a 504. (Like the engine pipe!) Graham your scenario may be what I've got; one of the 3 hook clamps on the drum seems off and only just grabs the top which is most def for the twin throat carb. So, the problems I had mounting may be due to the incompatibility of the 504 rocker cover for the drum?

    If it went closer to the firewall I couldn't get to the brake master cylinder reservoir & it fouled the bonnet hinge as the bonnet closed.

    I moved it about 25mm forward & rotated it about 20 degrees counterclockwise

    Thanks Marty! I have LONG experience with oil-bath air cleaners. Air cooled VW's use them.
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    Default Off to the body shop

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    After making a couple of rear mudguards, we're off for some painting!


    *Attention moderators etc the new system for posting photos is a monumental PITA. It's putting me off posting TBH.*
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    Vert nice Geodon I have found the rubber seal for the rear windows locally if you need some.
    Marty

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    Vert nice Geodon I have found the rubber seal for the rear windows locally if you need some.
    Marty
    Hi Marty, if you're willing to share, I need some too! I found a front window seal easily enough, but the rear profile has eluded me. Did you find something from a marine supplier?
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    Thanks Marty

    Mine are fine & should be reusable

    Feel free to supply to worthy causes!
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    Fantastic looking forward to seeing it finished

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    They have straightened the sides pretty well. There was a problem: the sides had "waves" that were impossible to remedy. Probably the result of abuse that led to the metal stretching so I OK'd the installation of a 20mm square section tube to run along the inside. When spot welded onto the sides they came up pretty well. The rear guards were a write-off due to rust & distortion so they made new ones.

    As I'm fitting a European style canopy, they, along with other scars & reminders of a hard life, won't be visible.

    I'm glad I farmed out fitting those after market new front guards! I would have lost my dago temper & chucked them over the back fence. As the bad guy in that Dirty Harry movie said: "A man's gotta know his limitations!" To experienced hands it was no big deal.



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    Default Colour is on!

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    You know you're almost home once the paint is on!

    I'm stoked with the canopy frame. It looks just like the one in the 404 Utility sales brochure. The ends of the aluminium longitudinals were filled with bog so the only way to tell they aren't timber is to feel them. It's also amazingly sturdy; the frame on the single cab VW Kombi I restored wobbled like jelly when you shook it. When you shake this one the whole car moves.

    I suspect the tailgate graphics may ruffle some feathers.

    Let's call it "Restorer's Licence!"

    I'm told the later utes had a tailgate with embossed letters and how they look can be found online. I carefully mimicked the style & format of the letters but had to make them a bit smaller to make them fit the panel and look OK. They are vinyl letters so can be easily removed if I change my mind. Of course if someone has a spare tailgate with embossed letters, I'm happy to change it over.

    It's staying in the body shop awaiting a shipment of small sundries: badges, door locks, mirrors etc.

    To do: Headliner, floor mats, replace the glass, have a canopy made.
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    Looks great!

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    Very nice

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    Looks wonderful. Very envious. Congratulations

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    Lovely 404
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