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    I would have thought the shorter bottom one would be the one to remove.

    This assumption is purely based on SWAG (Scientific wild arse guess). Being the shortest and the same thickness as the others, it would take greater force to bend it over a shorter distance. Many years ago, when rallying a Mazda with a leaf spring rear end, we took the short bottom leaf off and inverted it, then reinstalled it on top of the largest spring. This gave us the desired effect of lowering and stiffening the rear end. Slightly drastic measure, but we were competing on a shoestring budget.

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    I'm wondering the same thing. Will leaving a leaf or two out actually make it softer, and if so, which end of the stack should I pull it from?

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    One finished.

    As expected, the boys at the bolt shop were highly amused by my request for M7 hi-tensile bolts so it's M8 all round.

    I made a very long bolt with M8 all thread to pull the leaves together then G clamps to hold them while I threaded the central bolt. Nyloc nuts all round.

    I'm leaving the springs as they are & will see if the ride shakes out any fillings from my teeth.

    I'm leaving the shackle pins loose till the springs are loaded with the car's weight.
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    All secondary areas (underside, engine bay, tray) painted & brush coated in self levelling epoxy clear for durability.


    Now to dismount the bugger & put the Dauphine on!
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    On the ground again.

    Those mobile stands I made are invaluable.

    The oregon beams are supported on both sides by hardwood posts. I beefed up the one over the front of the car with a steel beam as that one can lift a car with the engine as well.

    If any one wants the fittings (free!) PM me. Does NOT include the angle iron clamps as they are generic for the rotisserie.
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    Front end going on.

    Rear end going on.

    A couple of queries:

    I'm also putting in the spare wheel carrier & can see how it attaches but how the latch locks the wheel in is a bit hazy. Is there a strap or does the latch just bolt to a cross member then, using the "springiness" of the cradle, lock the wheel in?

    I'm going to get a trimmer to do the seat then noticed there is a padded panel in the dash. The seat & door cards are tan but the dash panel is covered in a grey-blue vinyl which, to be honest, seems a bit incongruous.
    I would expect that panel to be tan to match the seats & door cards. Comments?
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    Looking good.

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    Thanks Colin H!

    What I thought were 2 solid rivets were 2 swivel points.

    When the clasp (which bolts to the 1st cross member in front of the rear extremity) is unscrewed, the cradle swings down.

    Unfortunately, when I tried to unscrew the clasp, the bolt sheared.

    I welded an M10 nut to the stump & tried to unscrew it but there was too much resistance so I will wait till the Penetrene does its work.
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    These are held to the backing plate by a coil spring on the shoe which hooks onto an eyelet engaged to the backing plate.

    The manuals I have are no help re engaging & disengaging.

    I made a tool from a medium screwdriver that stretched the spring from above then another screwdriver to push the eyelet and hook it onto the spring.

    *I'm probably like the little boy teaching his grandmother how to suck eggs but there it is anyway!*
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    That's different to any car I've seen. They use a U shape spring clip to retain the shoes.

    I have an identical screw driver but I use it to stretch the spring between the shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    That's different to any car I've seen. They use a U shape spring clip to retain the shoes.

    I have an identical screw driver but I use it to stretch the spring between the shoes.

    That's what is on the 404's front brakes & the Dauphine's.

    So, I guess these are unique to 404 utes?
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    Same setup is used on my trailer, it has Valiant brakes
    .cheers Pete

    I am gunna get another 403 on the road........one day

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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    That's what is on the 404's front brakes & the Dauphine's.

    So, I guess these are unique to 404 utes?
    And probably station wagons, which are in fact a light truck.
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    All secondary areas (underside, engine bay, tray) painted & brush coated in self levelling epoxy clear for durability.


    Now to dismount the bugger & put the Dauphine on!
    Sage Grey, the colour of my ute!

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    Sincere apologies to the Peugeot Purists but those square section adjusters are a PITA.

    Fine if you've got a REALLY good fitting box spanner but, even then, I doubt you would get enough purchase to overcome seizure. All 8 of mine were impossible to turn with a 10mm OE spanner. All I did was round them off. I rang a few tool shops- dead end. I thought about making a spanner with 4 bits of 10mm square rod fillet welded to make a 10mm square tube or even welding 2 cheap 10mm OE spanners end to end but I couldn't be bothered. There was an easier way that yielded a better result.

    Seriously, if designers are taking the cheap way out & using friction rather than (e.g.) snail ratchets to keep the brakes adjusted, at least give the maintenance guy a chance!
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    Sincere apologies to the Peugeot Purists but those square section adjusters are a PITA.

    Fine if you've got a REALLY good fitting box spanner but, even then, I doubt you would get enough purchase to overcome seizure. All 8 of mine were impossible to turn with a 10mm OE spanner. All I did was round them off. I rang a few tool shops- dead end. I thought about making a spanner with 4 bits of 10mm square rod fillet welded to make a 10mm square tube or even welding 2 cheap 10mm OE spanners end to end but I couldn't be bothered. There was an easier way that yielded a better result.

    Seriously, if designers are taking the cheap way out & using friction rather than (e.g.) snail ratchets to keep the brakes adjusted, at least give the maintenance guy a chance!
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    Well, it wasn't a pang of conscience. I did the rears & had begun to remove the front backing plates when I suddenly remembered I'd been gifted a crapload of spanners. Rummaging thru I found 7 (seven) 3/8 AF R/OE spanners. A totally useless size, hence none get lost. But sadly no 10mm. 3/8 AF is ~9.5mm so out came the angle grinder & the pictures tell the story. I put a bit of a bend in it so it sat nicely over the adjuster & it worked perfectly.

    OK so I have orig brake adjusters in the front & bastardised ones in the back.


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    Well, it wasn't a pang of conscience. I did the rears & had begun to remove the front backing plates when I suddenly remembered I'd been gifted a crapload of spanners. Rummaging thru I found 7 (seven) 3/8 AF R/OE spanners. A totally useless size, hence none get lost. But sadly no 10mm. 3/8 AF is ~9.5mm so out came the angle grinder & the pictures tell the story. I put a bit of a bend in it so it sat nicely over the adjuster & it worked perfectly.

    OK so I have orig brake adjusters in the front & bastardised ones in the back.


    C'est la vie!!
    It's a known problem. And the standard fix is to weld a M 10 nut (19 mm spanner) on to the square adjuster. When rounded the nut usually easily slips over the ex square adjuster.

    The added benefit is being able to have "micrometer adjustment and feel" on a 19mm ROE spanner.

    It became almost standard practice for Regans (in Hawthorn Melb.) to do the mod on older 403/ 404.
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    Front end going on.

    Rear end going on.

    A couple of queries:

    I'm also putting in the spare wheel carrier & can see how it attaches but how the latch locks the wheel in is a bit hazy. Is there a strap or does the latch just bolt to a cross member then, using the "springiness" of the cradle, lock the wheel in?

    I'm going to get a trimmer to do the seat then noticed there is a padded panel in the dash. The seat & door cards are tan but the dash panel is covered in a grey-blue vinyl which, to be honest, seems a bit incongruous.
    I would expect that panel to be tan to match the seats & door cards. Comments?




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    From the Dutch 404 club.

    TBH, I prefer this to the Duck Egg Blue which IMHO looks off.
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    on the sedan there is over center latch arrangement that latches the rear round section of wheel frame and locks closed.

    There is a plastic loop the protrudes through the boot floor, inside boot, behind the number plate. Which is pulled to release the primary latch, the second stage is released by lifting the frame, from under the car.

    I'm a bit hazy of the exact system since it's a couple of years since I have had a 404.

    And then again utes may be a little different.
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    Hi Geodon
    Mine has a large brass threaded knob that you do up to hold the wheel carrier up I will take a photo over the weekend .I collected another wheel carrier that was held up with a turn buckle.
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    HI Geodon
    I have had a look though the 404 parts manual and found this there appears to be a spring clip of some sort as well as the brass knob.
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    I will have to investigate further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
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    I have had a look though the 404 parts manual and found this there appears to be a spring clip of some sort as well as the brass knob.
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    Mine is a bit different Marty. Can't show you yet. I have worked out how it works but I broke the clasp & it's being fixed off site ( No oxy gas left!)

    Meanwhile, the front end is completely on.

    A bit of a hiccup in the rear: I have new shocks but they won't fit unless I compress the springs. No big deal. I can do that easily with truck size ratchet tiedowns.

    BUT, doesn't that mean that the shock will carry the burden of a full stretch? There are no check straps. I have emailed the supplier (WW Shocks Qld) and am awaiting a reply. There's only 20mm in it.

    ETA: I checked the Land Rover forum. Consensus says check straps were essential for the older oil filled shocks and to prevent those shock mounts being literally torn off. It's hard to imagine the Pug in that motoring scenario! Modern air shocks are built to take the load of a fully extended leaf spring. The point was made that later coil spring models ( e.g. Defenders) have no check straps.

    I'll contact the supplier Monday


    ETA No.2 Supplier assured me they are the same length as the samples I sent. I had 4 more as well still here & I checked they were the same. WW said check straps are only required for extreme conditions ( e.g. off road, hence Land Rovers) & under normal road conditions modern shocks will handle the spring going to full stretch
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    I'm starting to bolt on body panels to make sure all the fixing points are kosher.

    Between the mudguards, sills and the timber slats on the load deck there are about 50 (fifty) of these M6 caged nuts. Some were not saveable & were replaced with M6 rivnuts & M8 where the hole was just too big.

    Life's too short to clean the thread on each one manually so I welded an M7 nut onto a tapered M6 tap. Then a rattle gun expedited the process
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    Default More of the same.

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    The doors are held on by 6xM8 set screws that engage 2 sliding plates with threaded holes deep in the frames.

    The threads were, naturally, quite rusty.

    Cleaning them was a problem till I welded a tapered M8 tap onto the end of a little used tube spanner & then put a socket on the other end.
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