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    I have similar memories from the distant past when I had objections raised of the apparent misuse of ovens etc.

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    Default Experiment

    The rust converter has been on the best part of a week & when I looked carefully I found that while the formerly rusty bits are nice & dry, the painted bits (I just sloshed it everywhere!) felt a bit greasy. I'd guess that where there was no reaction the phosphoric acid just hangs around? Funny thing is I diligently used Prepwash

    So I applied a hot air gun to the suspect bits & they instantly got smooth, clean & dry.

    So I obviously need heat.

    These things are quite effective in a small enclosed space.

    Settle down OHS stalwarts! They are running off my 15A welding power point



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    Default Still no go

    Well the problem continues.

    There appears to be a definite incompatibility in certain patches.

    Next step is rub it back down then use a cold gal rattle can eg Finixa as a "fixer".

    I've NEVER seen that not stick!


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    Hi Geodon your paint problem looks like the solvent based primer eating into the soft original red primer and top coat .I,am using a 2pac epoxy primer on my ute after taking off as much paint as i can get too and using rust convertor with no issues yet. The rust convertor will soften old paints as well.
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    Thnx Marty but I don't have the space suit etc to use epoxy two-pac in a spray situation. It is cyanide based after all!

    However, you are correct: the acrylic primer/GP thinners combo is not co-existing with the existing paint.

    I have a couple of rattle cans of cold gal.

    Let's see how it goes at forming a platform for the acrylic to sit on. Fortunately, it's only a small area that is reacting
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    Buy some ICF free two pack primer.

    You need an undercoat for this product: 620 ICF BARRCRYL
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    These are industrial coatings, that are deigned to sprayed without a booth and heating.
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    Default That did it!

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    The Finaxa was a bit "unkind" but the Ruststop cold gal went on beautifully.

    I only have the tray underside left to do in primer.


    I'll go via repeated light dust-on coats to minimise any adverse effects.
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    Default Wood Panel on the Tray?

    Can anyone enlighten me as to what goes in the centre section of the tray area?

    At a guess, I'd say some sort of timber panel held down by 6mm countersunk set screws/bolts. Was it painted? I'm leaning towards a thick clear epoxy coat

    I measured it at 28mm thick and was planning on using marine ply which I can get in 12 & 15mm thickness so I will glue the two sheets together.

    I can't see it would be one piece. It would have to be at least 2 if not 3 pieces so that there is a successful tuck-in along the longitudinal axes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    Can anyone enlighten me as to what goes in the centre section of the tray area?

    At a guess, I'd say some sort of timber panel held down by 6mm countersunk set screws/bolts. Was it painted? I'm leaning towards a thick clear epoxy coat

    I measured it at 28mm thick and was planning on using marine ply which I can get in 12 & 15mm thickness so I will glue the two sheets together.

    I can't see it would be one piece. It would have to be at least 2 if not 3 pieces so that there is a successful tuck-in along the longitudinal axes.
    Don't know what was there originally. But I have seen all varieties of utes with natural timber flooring coated with 2 pack clear.

    And inch 11/4 is is a standard thickness. Probably Jarrah or Red Gum for durability or black butt if want something lighter. Paint both sides, with special attention of end grain sealing.

    And it can be sanded to restore it good looks.
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    There are 3 rows of captive nuts so has to be 3 pieces max. without drilling more holes in the bearers.

    Those timbers sound nice but I'm doubting I can get them in ~ 250+mm wide lengths without taking out a personal loan hence my pref for marine ply which, mind you, is costly enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    There are 3 rows of captive nuts so has to be 3 pieces max. without drilling more holes in the bearers.

    Those timbers sound nice but I'm doubting I can get them in ~ 250+mm wide lengths without taking out a personal loan hence my pref for marine ply which, mind you, is costly enough!
    I'd suggest the timber will be but a very small part of the overall restoration cost. When I've needed thick and wide timbers, I've used landscaping sleepers and had them put through a thicknesser.

    Sleepers are often quite well priced, with less choice of timbers 'tho.

    Anyone for an Iron Bark tray ?
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    I think it was narrower timbers with a metal strip that clamps down using the 3 rows of captive nuts. Timber floor boards tongue and grooved would be my guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Wuillemi View Post
    I think it was narrower timbers with a metal strip that clamps down using the 3 rows of captive nuts. Timber floor boards tongue and grooved would be my guess
    Thnx Adrian, that makes sense now.

    The strips means the timber does not need drilling and there will be wriggle room when fitting because the strips will hide any gaps.

    However, with 3 lengths of timber, only the middle one is fixed on both sides. The outer ones have only 1 fix point because there are no caged nuts on the extremities under the metal tray. So, I'm guessing the timber thickness is critical so that it's a snug fit under the tray. Perhaps a rubber mallet on the metal tray edge to put a bit of downwards pressure on the outer timbers?
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    The usual timber for warehouse floors and local truck and ute trays was Brush Box, a pink-red NSW hardwood. It is extremely wear and splinter resistant when things get dragged and slid over it. I can't say the same for any paint finish.

    Still available, it is a common street tree in Sydney.

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    The Finaxa was a bit "unkind" but the Ruststop cold gal went on beautifully.

    I only have the tray underside left to do in primer.


    I'll go via repeated light dust-on coats to minimise any adverse effects.
    I sought expert guidance & it seems I'm putting acrylic paint over enamel. They are not compatible. The Pug is a 1970 & acrylic paint must have been phased out by then? I'd better check the Dauphine before I get paint!!

    I'm committed now. But, the reaction is only in patches and I'm only doing secondary areas so I should hopefully get away with it. I experimented with other paint on the problem areas & Rustguard Red Oxide seems to be the go to stabilise where there are eruptions.
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    My ute has the timber tray and a number of the bearers have rotted out. I think replacing the timbers is the best option as future damage can be rectified by one piece and is easy enough to slot in. Just my 2 bob
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    Default Gear Box Mounts

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    I'm in the dark here.

    It looks to me like one of the front (?) GB mounts is missing the bolt & reinforcing bracket.

    Have they come adrift during disassembly?

    Can anyone post a picture of what it looks like intact?
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    I'm in the dark here.

    It looks to me like one of the front (?) GB mounts is missing the bolt & reinforcing bracket.

    Have they come adrift during disassembly?

    Can anyone post a picture of what it looks like intact?
    In sedans anyway, there are no front GB mounts. The only mounts are on the front block webs supported by a U shaped yoke from the front cross member.

    The rear of the gearbox is supported by a three point mounted meta-elastic mount, going over the rear of the GB, two bolts through the side of the rails and one bolt through the top of the trans tunnel.

    The mount is sandwiched by the TT two piece spherical head "plummer block" system. And thus mounted to the gearbox by the four cap screws.

    The m10 stud with the nut is the pivot for the hand brake equalizer lever, front of which accepts the handbrake lever cable and rear which accepts the wheel cables. The is also an extension spring in th mix somewhere. The equalizer sits under the TT.

    If you can forgive my "paint" skills this is how it works from memory

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    Ah!

    That bolt is the hand brake pivot, yes?

    So, nothing is missing as far as you can see?

    I have to know now while I gat easily get at the underside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    Ah!

    That bolt is the hand brake pivot, yes?

    So, nothing is missing as far as you can see?

    I have to know now while I gat easily get at the underside.
    Nothing seems to be missing and M8 studs sticking out towards the back are for the rear wheel handbrake cable, brass support doovers.
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    Default Progress!

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    Primer on, "schutz" on and the 1st light coat of colour on.

    I followed the advice of the of the paint retailer & applied colour to the schutz while it was still a bit sticky.

    I turned the air pressure for the paint right down to below 40psi hoping to minimise any incompatibility eruptions & I don't know if it helped but I only got one small area to rub back & re-do.

    After one more coat of colour, I'll brush/roller some self-levelling epoxy clear & then start reassembly.

    To quote Bill Lawry: "It's all happening!"
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    While the coats are drying, I'm ripping into the cart springs.

    My painting technique reminds me of the crankshaft lubrication system on Austin 7's: i.e. "Squirt and Pray". But, the parts I'm doing are not on display. The back is so badly marked by dings, scrapes and remnants of the attachments for a bastardised tray that I've decided to just paint over it. It can proudly display the scars of a hard life under a rubber mat!

    The springs are cleaned painted & coated with copper grease. They will need compression to be bolted together; probably a length of all thread then G-clamps.

    The bolts did not survive & the smaller ones are M7's. May be hard to find but there's enough metal there to take them out to M8 if necessary.


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    Hi Geodon I had a hard time stripping my spring shackles with the bolts being rusted into the bushes hopefully new bushes and grease will make the springs more supple ,I wonder if it is a good or bad idea to leave out one or two spring leaf,s as I will never carry one ton. Do you have tray sides as there is a fair bit of welding to attach them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    Hi Geodon I had a hard time stripping my spring shackles with the bolts being rusted into the bushes hopefully new bushes and grease will make the springs more supple ,I wonder if it is a good or bad idea to leave out one or two spring leaf,s as I will never carry one ton. Do you have tray sides as there is a fair bit of welding to attach them.
    I'm wondering the same thing. Will leaving a leaf or two out actually make it softer, and if so, which end of the stack should I pull it from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    Hi Geodon I had a hard time stripping my spring shackles with the bolts being rusted into the bushes hopefully new bushes and grease will make the springs more supple ,I wonder if it is a good or bad idea to leave out one or two spring leaf,s as I will never carry one ton. Do you have tray sides as there is a fair bit of welding to attach them.
    I have the sides & tailgate and I'm leaving that to the body shop to fit. They are a bit bent & they did my single cab Kombi a few years back. It had a similar problem & they got them as straight as a die.

    Yeah, my shackle pins were rusted too but a week in the electrolysis tank loosened them up nicely & they just tapped out.

    As you can see, I've got OVERLOAD springs as well. These must be the three camel option? Or is that normal?? That makes a total of 8 (eight) leaves. That's more than the Land Rover! I'm thinking I will leave these off.

    How many leaves is standard?

    If removing, I'd reckon you start at the bottom.


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