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    did have to get a friend to lift while I pulled it back as it wanted to lean to its centre mass and was impossible by myself (I tried!), but at least i didnt need 3 people! Had no hooks to force it out - could have done it myself otherwise, but was complete sinch with 2, took less than 15 second to get it in.. some googling around showed that the 8V should weigh no more than 150kg.

    Funny how 5 out of the 8 sheave pulley mechanisms from bunnings were already open. Clearly people use these for 1 job then return it.

    Anyway, grabbed this DFZ 8V, will be reading every rebuild thread. This rebuild will set the record for the slowest rebuild on AF.
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    The power of lateral thinking!

    A suggestion? Pulleys don't lock. Ratchet tie downs do. And they have a levering action to make the lift easier.

    You may need to take a couple of "bites at the cherry" i.e. prop the block up on something while you release & re-position the tie downs to take another lift.
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    The power of lateral thinking!

    A suggestion? Pulleys don't lock. Ratchet tie downs do. And they have a levering action to make the lift easier.

    I once lifted a VW single cab ute body using four truck ratchet tie downs over roof joists that I had braced with treated pine logs first. That enabled me to get a trailer under it.

    You may need to take a couple of "bites at the cherry" i.e. prop the block up on something while you release & re-position the tie downs to take another lift.

    *WHOOPS! I tried to edit & got another post! Ah well it's getting late even for insomniacs like me!*
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    Engine stands and hoists are modern inventions... In my obviously unenlightened youth we lifted them out of the car or truck with ropes - loops around the shoulders was easiest as you stood astride the motor (it was usually possible with the n-s layout). Once out the same rope loops enabled you to support it upside down, sideways or whatever. Well equipped garages/sheds had a ceiling beam and chain block for hoisting, but once out it was back to the ropes or propping on the bench for engine assembly.

    The huge gearboxes and transfer cases on Landrovers also needed to be lifted up to remove - you cannot drop them down.

    My old man's engine work bench was a corker - it would have taken a huge weight, and was the preferred work place.
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    *The huge gearboxes and transfer cases on Landrovers also needed to be lifted up to remove - you cannot drop them down.*


    Aaahh! A subject I'm intimately familiar with. The box & t-case needs to come out via the inside before the engine comes out! That's why I cut off the cross member under the gear box and then modified it to a bolt-on. The GB can be lowered. In fact the engine & GB can be lifted out thru the front as a unit. That beats undoing a myriad of bolts in-situ.
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    Been there and done that several times! It wasn't the lifting that was tiresome (again you can straddle the box) - it was the ten thousand bolts and screws (have I missed some) that hold down the floor and seat base.

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    Sorry, makes me cringe, after having seen workplace and home ACCIDENTS with jury rigged tools

    Advice to anyone DON'T COPY THIS to avoid reading Aussiefrog posts in hospital and wasting my taxes

    Use the correct tools
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    Gee's ... I hope you had something very heavy on those shelves... all I can see is them toppling forward. That telstra rope is remarkably strong stuff.

    Everyone has 2 or 3 un-used ancient block and tackle sets clogging there shed don't they ?? I have one here you could have used. Lifting them to roof height is almost as much fan as lifting the motor itself (you *just* manage to get it there and the hanging hook on it tilts forward so you can't hook it on ).

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    i had 6 wheels + tyres + another rim sitting on top of that dexion table.

    I'm an engineer not a doofus. The table alone weights more than the engine would
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    I'm an engineer not a doofus
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    About 40 years ago dad bought a 1952 series 1 SWB Land Rover to tow a 27' caravan around Tasmania. He pulled the engine out with a block & tackle attached to 3 long posts forming a tripod over the car. He had a set of OS pistons, but opted to hone the bores and lathe the pistons down (with the assistance of the local gunsmith) to fit it all together. He announced it should do for 3 months. Seven years later while at the local garage, he saw another 2L Land Rover engine out the back, on inspection (pushing the flywheel round with his boot) he decided it had more compression than the engine in the car and replaced the original engine.
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    Due to the large number of workshop accidents, Worksafe Victoria have written a guide " Automotive Workshop Safety"

    This is essential reading for all Home Mechanics.

    https://www.vwa.vic.gov.au/__data/as...hop_safety.pdf

    Remember the recent TV ad with the young boy and basketball waiting for his dad to come home

    Couple of examples from the simple check lists Pg 37

    Housekeeping
    Workshop floor free of slips and trips hazards
    Fluid spills cleaned up immediately
    Rubbish not stored near flammable substances
    All tools and equipment stored appropriately
    Air lines, hoses, and tools clear of floor surfaces

    STAY SAFE enjoy 2015
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    Thanks for the link. Mostly old fashioned common sense, but spoiled by a great deal of the Elf and Safety drivel loved so much by the public service. Rbwadley's dad's tripod was the standard lifting tackle in farms and yards in those days.

    One thing that really gets my goat is this constant customer can't/shouldn't enter the workplace stuff. Any mechanic and particularly dealership who applies that rule in my book has something to hide. I've never met a really good one who works to it.

    The same garbage comes from councils and utility workers - I was once told my front yard was a workplace by one of these rule-bound nuisances. I told him to get stuffed.
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    If you're an engineer, what's the mechanical advantage of your system? Good use of Telecom rope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driven View Post
    Due to the large number of workshop accidents, Worksafe Victoria have written a guide " Automotive Workshop Safety"

    This is essential reading for all Home Mechanics.

    https://www.vwa.vic.gov.au/__data/as...hop_safety.pdf

    Remember the recent TV ad with the young boy and basketball waiting for his dad to come home

    Couple of examples from the simple check lists Pg 37

    Housekeeping
    Workshop floor free of slips and trips hazards
    Fluid spills cleaned up immediately
    Rubbish not stored near flammable substances
    All tools and equipment stored appropriately
    Air lines, hoses, and tools clear of floor surfaces


    STAY SAFE enjoy 2015
    Hey .... Keep out of my shed !!! It would help if the bloody ugly pink car didn't keep p!$$ing LHM all over the floor

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    Icon10 Elf and sefty - a moving target....

    There is some sort of physics laws that dictate that as engines age over the years, they get heavier to the point that an engine and gearbox that you could easily carry in your arms to the workbench 40 years ago is now so heavy you can't budge it without some help or mechanical contrivance.


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    Glad you found a solution that works Lion 5.

    Now all speed to that engine work....
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    How many rope sections support the motor Peter?

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    Indeed that it is the theoretical answer.

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    Or you could have borrowed my engine hoist for the weekend....
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    Nice move.

    Now you need to make a support for the engine so you can have it in the stand sideways to allow access at the main bearing seal and center the weight so the engine is in equlibrium either way up.
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    yep schlitz, I bought that engine stand of renault8&10, he pointed me to a good metal spares place near my area, I dropped by to have a look at what I could use to rig up a system similar to yours you made in a post way back on a nice red coloured block. Though that'll be in quite a while. I rigged this up so I could clear space in the garage for the time being.

    I was going to buy proper pulleys with ratchet straps and all that, but they were getting too pricey for my liking. that rig alone including the 680kg rated rope was $40. I can use it for anything else now though.

    Peter: 2 right, two moving pulleys. I wasn't great at physics, what helped me pass back then was my maths and not the understanding.

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    Don't count pulleys - just think about equilibrium at the load. Angled strings up; gravity down.

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    but they were getting too pricey for my liking. that rig alone including the 680kg rated rope was $40.
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    For $50 more you could have the purpose built item, which is totally and universal, safe and will last a lifetime.

    The incremental cost is less than the doctor's bill or lost pay if the the cobbled up system allows the engine to fall .

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    Don't count pulleys - just think about equilibrium at the load. Angled strings up; gravity down.

    The number of pulleys in that system dictates how much effort is needed to pull the engine up, seasink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    The number of pulleys in that system dictates how much effort is needed to pull the engine up, seasink.
    I would have thought that the "number of pulleys" dictates the mechanical advantage.

    The weight of the object being lifted is what dictates "how much effort"

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