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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    There's a banjo union there?? How very British!

    You have more patience than me, John

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    Don't forget accelerator & clutch cables will be easier too.

    What's Fourword?
    I agree everything is easier with the hole in the floor!

    The banjo union is held onto the end of the master cylinder by a drilled bolt with a pressure switch screwed in, or indeed in later models by a drilled bolt with an integral switch. You unscrew it, and that releases the end of the master cylinder. No need to disturb the three copper pipes, although you do need to be careful to replace the two copper washers.

    You should join the Renault 4CV Register of Australia, which caters for all the rear-engine cars. It's on the web. Fourword is our newletter/magazine. Lots of knowledge, some of which appears here...

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    Default Web Pieces Retro Rules!

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    Wow!

    My order arrived 14 days after placing it.

    During "les vacances aussi"!!

    Seriously good service & seems good quality.

    Nearly as quick as VW stuff from the West Coast USA. The record from there was 8 days.

    I got 2 sets of water pump gaskets. Probably my error. Anyone want them? PM me.
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    The water pump gaskets would be a good thing to hold on to. Water pumps are probably the weakest link in a Dauphine engine.
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    Default Useful Gadget from eBay

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    I needed new rubber cushions for the base of the suspension coil springs front & rear.

    Plus the paper gaskets for the rear wheel bearing housings.

    I saw this gadget on eBay & thought I'd give it a go.

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    It did a great job with some leftover Land Rover floor matting.
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    The power unit is finished bar the brakes. I have to wait for a new hand brake cable. A cursory inspection of the old one implied it was OK, but, on closer inspection one strand of the Bowden cable had broken & experience tells me that means it will fail soon.

    It really is an elegant little unit when it's pristine. Not beautiful like the early Jaguar XK's and not soul-stirring like the mouth-watering Alfa 105 series with their twin cams & DCOE Webers, but, this is a budget means of transport so I salute the designer!
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    Default Progress! Part B

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    Front end: cleaned, stripped & re-painted with an epoxy rattle can.

    I'm going to be lazy here & pass them over to the local suspension place to re-bush them.

    Actually, I had such a horrible time with the Landy suspension I may be still suffering from PTSD.

    You'll notice I have detached a stub axle from the backing plate. When the car arrived, I noticed the NS wheel was wonky. While it was mobile, I trailered it to an alignment shop where they diagnosed a bent stub axle. I got a spare pair with the car but they are the earlier variety with spider wheels so I had to remove & re-use the backing plate.

    I got one rivet off with an angle grinder & thought there HAS to be a better way. There was! By drilling down to the backing plate, I was able to smite mightily with a cold chisel & hammer & off they came.
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    Nice.

    When I fitted spider wheel Dauphine front brakes to my 4CV, I drilled those rivets, super carefully, and punched them out. They are real blacksmith items! R8/R10 disc calliper bracket mounting bolts are exactly the right size to replace the rivets.

    If you have any spider wheel drums with attached spiders, please keep them. Rare as hens teeth and there might be a 4CV owner very keen to get hold of them as they are a huge improvement. The Dauphine Gordini brakes are a few mm wider but the diameter is the same and the backing plates the same.

    It isn't everyone's cuppa, but you can buy 6V alternators that fit fairly easily. Huge improvement but not original. They can be found on ebay from USA (example: 6 Volt 60 AMP Positive Ground 1 Wire Alternator | eBay ) and I bought mine from "billh6800" to give credit to a pretty professional seller.

    Good your car is coming together. I reckon rattle can epoxy is great!
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    *******If you have any spider wheel drums with attached spiders, please keep them. Rare as hens teeth and there might be a 4CV owner very keen to get hold of them as they are a huge improvement. The Dauphine Gordini brakes are a few mm wider but the diameter is the same and the backing plates the same.*******


    I got this Dauphine front & rear end via Gumtree for $140. (Thnx Colin H!).

    So I may have some bargaining collateral?

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    Hmmmmm! It appears I'm missing the front belly pan on mine.........
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    ****R8/R10 disc calliper bracket mounting bolts are exactly the right size to replace the rivets****

    John, I was going to use stainless M8 bolts & Nyloc nuts.

    Not right?

    I took the electrics to a local auto sparky. I go there not only because I get good work but because I love to see the old chap's eyes light up when he realises he's getting some REALLY ancient stuff to work on. e.g. The Fergie's starter motor packed up. He was able to re-jig the flexible drive & get it going again.

    Anyway, he declared the dynamo etc to be in rude health so he just re-bushed & re-bearinged.

    Hey! The car has only done 40K miles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    ****R8/R10 disc calliper bracket mounting bolts are exactly the right size to replace the rivets****

    John, I was going to use stainless M8 bolts & Nyloc nuts.

    Not right?
    Stainless bolts (Grade5?) don't have very good tensile strength, although may well be up to hanging onto the backing plate. I would much rather use cad plated standard 8.8 grade metric bolts in this position.
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    Alan knows much more than I do about bolts. But there's no need for stainless that I can see.

    Yes, those backing plates, brake bits inside and the drum/spider wheel combo are quite desirable. Do not unfasten the bolts that hold the spider and the hub onto the drum!

    I'll take my own drums to the brake place this week and check they are usable. If not, I might be in the market for yours!

    They only made these particular spider wheel Dauphine cars in 1956, yet continued with the 4CV with the smaller brakes until 1961.

    Might be interesting getting very old crossply tyres off the soft rims....

    Amazing what just keeps turning up.
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    Default Front End Re-bushed

    Got going again after a hiatus.

    Front end ready to reassemble. 12 sundry bushes. As I am still suffering from PTSD after changing the bushes on the Land Rover cart springs, I decided to farm this job out to the local Pedders establishment.

    That's as far as I can go till I get the 404 off the rotisserie.


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    Looks nice.

    When you reassemble that lot, I recall there is an argument for sitting the assembled car on its wheels with a standard load in it before tightening the nuts at the ends of the upper and lower inner suspension pivots, so that the silentbloc bushes aren't torsioned at all in the neutral position. Maybe the outers too. The point is that the bushes work with the rubber in torsion with the pivot axles and the bush inners not moving.

    Do you still have the rear spider wheel brake drum assemblies by any chance? I might be in the market.

    Cheers

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    I can sympathise re the Series 2A Land-Rover, having driven them a lot in the late 1960s-1970s in the SA Dept of Mines. We had mostly LWB 2-door enclosed ones. There was a claim, years ago, from the geologists, claiming hearing loss and I can well believe it. I've never felt enough affection to get one..... We were actually trained in half shaft replacement, so many broke in use.
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    John, they are sitting in the shed being slowly adorned with dust & possum poop.

    I need a front belly pan and am happy to do a swap
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    Default Rotisserie

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    I'm about to start making fittings to mount the Dauphine on a rotisserie.

    Looking at it, I estimate the centre of gravity for rotation goes thru the top of the taillight fitting.

    Can anyone who has done this give any advice?
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    Default It's on!

    The line thru the top tail light is a tiny bit low so it's a bit "roof heavy" but not enough to warrant frigging around to get it perfect.

    I used 32x13x2mm rectangular tube (leftover from my 404's tray canopy frame) bolted to the front & rear bumper mounts. It fits nicely thru the bumper iron slots BUT it's way too light to take the load laterally so I "boxed" it in making a very strong rectangular space frame sort of.

    Underneath it appears the central bit is covered in black Schutz stuff but the engine & luggage areas are in body colour.

    Lots of pinholes in the rear passenger foot wells. As much as I hate BOC, I look like hiring gas bottles from them & resurrecting my oxy gear to fill them with brass. Much quicker than cutting, fabricating & shutting.


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    All stripped & ready for HP wash then rub down then paint.

    The eng bay has a nice original patina to it so I will just touch it up where necessary.
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    A couple of "jacking mishaps" will need attention.

    Now back to the 404. I have to get it back on its wheels so I can get it out of the way.
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    Default Test your paint!!

    I managed to pull it out with the Fergy & give it a bath.

    I had heaps of trouble with painting the 404. Whatever was on there did not like the acrylic I was putting on & it "fried" in quite a few places.

    To avoid this I took a panel to the auto paint shop to check I could put acrylic over it. To my surprise they could not tell by sight, feel etc. They referred to a dog-eared book with make, model & year and said it could be NC (nitrocellulose) or enamel.

    My only option was to try a few patches, choosing where there was a break in the paint e.g. scratch, scrape so that the solvent could get under the paint. Actually, that was where the paint fried on the 404 also!

    Well, it looks like I'm safe. Two blasts of primer showed no reaction. Had there been trouble, I had to get some metho based isolator to go on 1st.



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    Default Repairing Crossmember

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    OMG they are REALLY lightly constructed aren't they?

    This was obviously the result of jacking it up via the wrong spot.

    Not like new but not too shabby. Who's going to see it anyway?
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    Looks great from Brisbane, you can hardly see it from here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano View Post
    Looks great from Brisbane, you can hardly see it from here...
    Sorry mate.

    I ended up welding about 6 nails to the depressed part of the cross member then using the claw hammer to pull the dent out. I was amazed at how easily it pulled out. The metal was quite thin hence my comment. (I can see why it weighs about 850kg wet)

    Then cleaned up with the angle grinder.

    I have to use a 4x2 or something when I jack it up.
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    Was going to do something similar on the internal wheel arch of the 404. The son-in-law uses a wiggly wire (similar to a small seat spring) then uses a puller to reshape the bent section. We have to pull the middle of the arch up about 10mm over about a 200mm arc. If the method fails, the bent section will be cut out and a panel from a donor vehicle and grafted into place. Not my preferred option. Although it may be stronger?

    Every time I see photos of your shed, I suffer a bout of severe shed envy.

    Keep up the good work and keep the photos coming.

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    I've painted the cabin floor & underside.

    Now to start re-attaching stuff.
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