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    Default Gawd, another R8 upgrade

    I thought it is about time I put a few pics up of my latest project.
    Don't expect it to move as fast, be as interesting or as informative as Brettr's posts.

    I bought this R8 from Canberra about 5 yrs ago and it has been sitting in a friends shed until a month or so ago when I decided I'd drag it home and start work on it. The plan is to rebuild it into a replacement for the white R10 classic rally car/club car that appears as my avatar.

    The red rocket as it is known is listed as being a '64 Major. The C pillars however place it as being more like 67, but as I am dismantling it I have formed the opinion it may have had a new roof welded on at some stage.

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    First step is to break it down ready for a repaint.
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    Good sense of accomplishment today. I finished removing the front suspension which was giving me grief and have completely stripped the shell ready for paint stripping.

    Had to fabricate or modify a few tools including making a lever bar (19 & 21mm sockets) to loosen some of the ball joint nuts and other suspension nuts; make a drift sacrificing an old control arm pin nut, to drift out the top pin; hacksaw through a ball joint then take the steering arm to work so the fitters could press it out with a workshop press (took about 6-10T to pop it) and grind off the inner wheel bearings; grind down a cheap spanner to try to loosen the shock locking nuts on the front and finally, make a slot in a large spanner to lock the stem on the front shocks to remove said nuts.
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    Looks like a nice shell Kevin. Looks like my "Rouge Trinidad" too. The bumpers and maybe the pillar ornament place it late in the R8 run for Oz, certainly not 1964 unless a few things have been added. Shouldn't there be a build number stamped on the floor near the door pillar (? B)? Mine doesn't have it, being quite an early one.

    Let me know if you need anything that I might have.

    Is that the back corner of a white Citroen CX on the photo?

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    Yes John, but it's not mine.
    This photo was whilst it was being agisted in a friends' shed.

    He's helping the owner repaint the CX as we speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    Yes John, but it's not mine.
    This photo was whilst it was being agisted in a friends' shed.

    He's helping the owner repaint the CX as we speak.
    I thought you might have joined me in "ultimate eclectic" territory..... An R8 and a CX is quite a pair - they are really chalk and cheese. I reckon the CX has about 50-100 more things to go wrong but it is quite a remarkable car to drive and has the best brake performance of anything we've owned (70% of the weight on the front wheels helps...).

    Anyway, as I said, shout if you need anything, other than those stub axles.

    Mine has also been called the red rocket since 1982!

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    Hi KB

    What are you doing motor and gearbox wise to the red rocket?

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    Hi Baz,
    Collier worked 1.4 with twin webers and race cam. The gearbox will be the existing one - R10 box with R16 internals.
    Fuel tank will probably get shifted to the front boot and be a fuel cell of some sort.

    This is Jim's old car if you didn't recognise it.
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    They should make it fly. Didn't know it was Jim's old car! Shifting the fuel tank to the front should improve weight distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazzamac View Post
    They should make it fly. Didn't know it was Jim's old car! Shifting the fuel tank to the front should improve weight distribution.
    That depends on how much fuel is in the tank.
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    Just a quick update.
    Last night a few friends came around and helped to lift the shell onto my car trailer, then this morning I dropped it off to have the shell stripped back to bare metal.

    Whilst the garage has an empty space, I will start cleaning up the front suspension (grinding off the original balljoints etc) ready for them to be cleaned, stripped and painted ready for reassembly. Then I have to take a deep breath and decide how far to go with cleaning up the gearbox and changing mounts etc there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    Just a quick update.
    Last night a few friends came around and helped to lift the shell onto my car trailer, then this morning I dropped it off to have the shell stripped back to bare metal.
    Yes I recall when I got mine back from the blasters, some of the panels looked like Swiss cheese. Thankfully after nearly 3 years, it's all cut out and painted.

    i would never do this type of Resto again without a rotisserie - simply fantastic!

    looking forward to your progress

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    How much does the blasting cost? I was quoted 1300 by a guy who comes to your home and does it with a water and crushed glass blaster. You get him for the whole day.

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    Angelo - Yes, I am more than a little anxious as to what I might get back.

    Christian - I'm actually having it chemically dipped rather than an abrasive or soda blast type treatment. It will be around $2k.
    The last shell I had bead blasted and 17 yrs ago it was about $500 from memory.
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    [QUOTE=renault8&10;1304437]Angelo - Yes, I am more than a little anxious as to what I might get back.
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    I paid $800 for shell only which was bead blasted on sensitive panels, but garnet on the u/s. All hang-ons I had chemically dipped as I did these 2 at a time as I was only working on WE's so had limited time to work on each and didn't want them left for weeks exposed. They cost me $40 each.

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    Shell still off being stripped so I launched into some suspension preparation today. Pressed out the bushes and rubbers then sandblasted them ready for paint and new bushes. The weather hasn't helped progress, it's either stinking hot, or pouring rain here at the moment sometimes both at once!
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    Shell is back from being stripped and let's just say, I have more work ahead of me than I first thought.
    Lots of areas looking like a cheese grater. Surprisingly free of rust in some places, and rusty in places you wouldn't expect.
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    That's what one of my A pillars looked like. If you can I'd get a pillar off another body and do a cut and shut job on it. You'll get good at putting the door on and taking it off again, expect to do it a few times.

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    Wow, this is getting interesting. The stripping looks the goods, can you tell me more about the stripping process..? was it caustic and if so what neutraliser did they use and is that now bare metal of primed..? Also I'd be interested in the BMT that they used in those shells..do tell.

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    Graham,
    That is bare metal with a phosphoric acid treatment. It will need to be etch primed then primed from here. The treatment is sometimes called keyphos.

    I don't know much about the process, and they keep their IP pretty close to their chest for obvious reasons, but if you go to their website - Redi Strip in Blacktown if you google it, they have a downloadable PDF that explains some of the process.

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    There hasn't been much to report over Christmas while I pondered the rust repairs required, and took a break over Xmas. If the weather had been better I might have started, but here we are.

    Despite a miserable day weather wise in Sydney today, these goodies arrived at work to brighten up the day!

    You'll have to turn your monitor or head as I have no idea why they have been inserted upside down

    Or wait patiently while I try to figure it out.......brb.

    I took them on an iPad. Maybe Aussiefrogs is against Apple products - I can't get them to insert the correct way up no matter what I try. Disclaimer - I am not liable for any Chiropractic treatment required as a result of viewing these files
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    Thanks Graham,
    I assume you hosted them elsewhere, rather than attached them?
    I couldn't get it to work as attachments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    Thanks Graham,
    I assume you hosted them elsewhere, rather than attached them?
    I couldn't get it to work as attachments.
    Wow. A full set of polyesters. Will you weigh them please and compare with the metal ones you are replacing?

    Be interested to see how well they fit of course. The bonnet looks pretty good. The rear guard seemed to have a bit of curve, maybe to clear wider tyres?

    Very nice.
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    I'll see what I can do John.
    The individual guards probably don't save much, the std guards are pretty light when off the car but I guess when you add them altogether it would add up with the bonnet and rear jupe panel etc. they don't do a boot lid strangely.

    The guard pictured is left front, and yes has a reasonable flare inbuilt!
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