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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W View Post
    My engine builder is suggesting decking the block for a bit more compression, smoothing cylinder head ports to increase airflow and polishing combustion chambers. Thoughts???
    I reckon that all sounds like a terrible idea Rich. Your car will be quicker than mine!

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    A bit more progress on the paint - engine bay, insides of doors, door jambs, inside of rear hatch and the boot area all now have colour coat and the rest of the car is ready for main colour coat next week. Slowly slowly, but getting exciting to see!
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    I love nice shiney new paint.....

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    Some more progress, albeit slow....

    The car is now painted. Reassembly to start soon.
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    Meantime, the engine rebuild is underway. This is being done by 'Bluey' on this site for me. He's done a lot of work on the head which is now complete.

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    Peter T cams should be here soon, then the head will go back to Rams while the bottom end is rebuilt. The plan is to raise compression slightly, and Bluey is also experimenting with some modifications to the inlet manifold. He's going to test the modified manifold on a dyno on his own car first to see if its giving a worthwhile increase in power before handing it over to me!

    The gearbox is out of the Sorrento and ready to go to Adrian. Adrian informs me, however, that he doesn't have any 4.06 CWP, which had been my first option. Anyone got one they want to sell? Otherwise, what do people think of running the s3 ratios with S1/S2 CWP?

    Interior wise, the seats went off to the upholsterer today for full leather re-cover. If anyone wants their seats done at the same time let me know and see if we can get a discount, as all of the work to get the patterns right will already be being done for mine!

    The wheels should be refurbed next week, all new bushes for front suspension and parts for rear beam are here, Bilstein B6s are on order, big order just placed with Baker BM, and I've been tracking down lots of little trim bits.

    Now all I need is the time to really get stuck into it. Maybe January!

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    Rich - can't believe I hadn't read your thread until now!! You really are (wait for terrible pun) motoring along now! Looking great and can't wait to see more of the build as you progress.

    I can't help but feel though that I want to do the same thing as you and build one from the ground up... With one important difference of course... Supercharged gti6!

    But until I find a worthy car to start on, it will be a distant dream...not to mention the crazy price for a supercharger kit out of the UK.

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    It's a great colour Rich. Nice to see a project being done so well.

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    Looking good Rich.

    +1 for supercharging too... Might need one to keep up with this car!
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    I guess that could always be stage 2! Might take a while, however to digest stage 1...

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    Lovely looking car, care to work on mine while you wait? Much the same and I got the last 4.06 cwp I suspet. There are some around. in fcat ask Adrian, I suspect the one he took out of mine was 4.06 already? Seriously, ask him, its downstairs and your welcome to it.
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    Mathew, you only had the crown wheel, not the pinion. I exhausted all of my known 4.06. If anything I would go 4.4 before I went to 3.9
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    QUOTE: The gearbox is out of the Sorrento and ready to go to Adrian. Adrian informs me, however, that he doesn't have any 4.06 CWP, which had been my first option. Anyone got one they want to sell? Otherwise, what do people think of running the s3 ratios with S1/S2 CWP?

    I have just replaced the box in the RAT. I was under the impression that it had previously been fitted with a 4.06 CWP & Mi16 gears. I found out that it actually had a 3.938 (S1/2). It now has 4.06 with basically S3 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & .757 5th.

    I find the gearing on the road a bit low compared to the previous. It will chirp its wheels into 3rd! My main reason for the 4.06 was for Motorkhanas (and reverse gear was making terrible noises and the pressure plate fingers were stuffed again, so the box had to come out). I now find 1st a bit too low for the road compared to the 3.938 CWP though. I must stress that for road work anything lower than .757 for 5th will be too low.

    To sum up as your car should have at least 30% more power than mine it will be a great road car with S3 gears and the 3.938 CWP fitted and it will easily pull the Mi16 5th. Come to the next Tyre Kicking and try my 5th (?).

    Good luck, hope to soon see the new one at The Tyre Kicking one day. Hurry up with the build and we will arrange another Wednesday drag night!
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    Thanks for the comments guys. Wow - I'm having trouble getting my head around the idea that a less than 2% difference in gearing can be so noticeable!

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    -1 for supercharging unless you plan to get a full cage. Ie if it's a race car, which isn't the current concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    -1 for supercharging unless you plan to get a full cage. Ie if it's a race car, which isn't the current concept.
    Don't worry Ash. I've only had a short drive in Pat's car (really want another!) and that was vivid enough for me. I really don't expect to be looking for more power (okay, so maybe another 4 or 5kW hopefully, but that will be soaked up by the extra weight in my car and, possibly, the 2% higher gearing!)

    I love driving 205's but I'm very conscious that they're an unsafe little coke can if I overcook things.

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    I would have thought that with the extra torque and performance of the GTI6 motor that the S1/ S2 ratio of 3.94 would be perfect for a road car and that 4.06 a little low for street use. However I have no experience in GTI6 conversions and there are lots of members here who would know better than I.

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    I find the 4.06 to be very good on the road for spirited driving. Having done a drive from canberra most of the way to Sydney and back, it copes well enough with prolonged highway use as well, but you wouldn't tour the country with it as it is doing higher revs than it needs to on the open roads. As for the supercharger...one can dream...about robbing a bank so that one can afford to do it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W View Post
    Thanks for the comments guys. Wow - I'm having trouble getting my head around the idea that a less than 2% difference in gearing can be so noticeable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    2% or 3%?
    I stand corrected!
    ((4.06 - 3.94) / 4.06) x 100 = 2.95567%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W View Post
    Don't worry Ash. I've only had a short drive in Pat's car (really want another!) and that was vivid enough for me. I really don't expect to be looking for more power (okay, so maybe another 4 or 5kW hopefully, but that will be soaked up by the extra weight in my car and, possibly, the 2% higher gearing!)

    I love driving 205's but I'm very conscious that they're an unsafe little coke can if I overcook things.
    Not sure about the s/chger effect on torque but the insane wallop from pig205 suggests that something more linear is desirable.
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    I wouldn't be worrying about the 4.06 cwp. The difference of 2.9% will be hardly noticeable with the amount of shove your engine will have. Just fit a 3.94 cwp with a 1.9 GTi gearset.

    I hadn't been reading this thread for a while. I love those pics of the engine. Was that work done at RAMS? Your wedge is almost complete.

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    That's Huw's work Peter. Head will go back to RAMS when we get your cams.

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    Nice colour mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W View Post
    I've only had a short drive in Pat's car (really want another!)
    Come to the Tyre Kicking this Sunday Rich and have another drive...
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    I'll have to ride there - my car gets delivered to new owner tomorrow....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W View Post
    I'll have to ride there - my car gets delivered to new owner tomorrow....
    May be the new owner could come to The Tyre Kicking? (You could bludge a ride!)
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