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    Default 1989 405 Mi16 Daily driver

    Bought an Mi16 that had been converted to auto late Dec to be a daily for my wife. But with the issues that have been popping up its spent more time with me....

    Ive wrecked a handful of 405's for their engines, so this is me making things right again...if that even makes sence. The drive home indicated It ran hot, wouldn't over heat but wouldn't sit on 90 either. It also didn't like cruising at 100, it took effort to maintain that speed. It came with Gti6 rims and bulbous 195/60 tyres, but as part of the deal I was to return these. I had another set of rims which I much prefered.

    Basically to get it roadied, I replaced the RHF indicator (which was smashed by a rock on the drive home from buyer, was also the last genuine one left in sydney.) Replaced tie rod boots, fix rear light earth fault, New tyres for set of rims, Replaced the manifold donut gasket, LHF cv boot, drivebelt, plugs and leads, LHF high beam bulb...oh and replace the missing knock sensor. Not only was the knock sensor missing but also its bolt, which also secures the middle main bearing cap. This was all done in the space of a few afternoons.

    I also at this time attempted to vacuum the aircon system. To my amazement it held a steady vac. So i gassed it. Fired her up and hit the aircon button......nothing. With no wiring diagram at the time, I just fiddle with wires and relays. I eventually came to a false fix, while playing with the relays in the bulkhead, I fitted a relay to an empty holder and the aircon cut in. Nice and cold, actually the coldest aircon of any Peugeot (new or old) I've ever experienced. This thing was spitting out ice. But If you were to press the aircon button off and on it would not cut in again till you left the car sometime and restarted with button in the on position. OK, I'll just leave the button on I thought. Untill one night I turned it off and the thing would just never turn back on. I put out a plea to the AF community for a diagram, that not even PAA could find me. PeterT came to the rescue with the HVAC booklet complete in PDF format. Of all the vehicle aircon systems (again new or old) this is by far the most complex...typical peugeot. I started at the compressor and worked my way back...clutch-ok, preostat-ok, cut-out relay-ok, bitron and aircon ecu-ok, all wiring thus far-ok. Eventually got to the switch....yep, poor contacts in the switch. I'll be honest I never even considered it because it lights up nice and fine. I cleaned the fingers inside the switch and manipulated (read-bent) the fingers to contact with more pressure. So now aircon working fine, pump is a little noisey and its slowly getting less cold(this is after running for nearly 3 months) so when the day comes, I will replace all the o-rings, tx, maybe even replace the compressor with a variable displacement sanden off a later model psa vehicle as they sap way less power than the fixed compressors.

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    A few weeks into driving around the coolant leaks started popping up. I also noticed a small green stain on the side of the center console...awesome. I pulled it down, hoping to just get away with the pipe o-rings...nope she was well and truly stuffed. I took the opportunity to remove the throttle body heating which was leaking at the thermostat housing. Replaced the thermostat with a new calostat unit and replace the bottom hose which was oil soaked. The bottom hose was a pain, I think they only sell xud hoses now as a 'fits everything' Cutting the ends down was needed to fit to the xu9j4. Typical sasic quality. After fixing all cooling leaks, I thought perhaps I've solved the running hot....nope. I'm 99% sure the rad is blocked, lots of scale and crap came out of coolant. Intake side hot, outlet luke warm. 3 months in Im still living with it. Rad is on list to do.

    This will never be a concourse car, paint and body are average. I just want a really nice 405 to drive everyday. I am fussy so lots of little things left to fix and do. Slowly..

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    Had a really shabby set of brembo callipers that I had been trying to sell for ages. Only wanted $200 for them IIRC, but because they were really shabby looking there was no takers. I decided to repaint them myself. Really happy with the results.

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    Need to get some 15mm spacers, and L brake hose adaptors and I will be fitting them.

    Also have changed the rear spoiler to that of the T16 variety. I bought this back in 09 but never fitted it. Was of a sorento T16 from germany. Painted it and fitted to the car. Much more aggressive.

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    Had the most unbelievable ebay score in probably the history of ebay itself. 2x new rear billy b6's for .99c US each! Shipping was $76. But it was still cheaper than the $297 RRP each!
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    Fitted them this afternoon. Can't really tell any difference. But my beam is shagged- also on the to do list. Have a berlingo beam here to swap over.
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    Well done, yay for Mi16s!
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    Great effort!! It's simpler to take the easy road and part them out... Much more rewarding to keep them on the road !!

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    I do Love my mi16's! But unfortunately I have to sell it!

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    Been playing with throttle/kickdown cable adjustments. Have the Auto shifting perfect, can't even notice the upshifts. With the 205/40/r17 tyres it sits at 100 effortlessly. 2300rpm @100kmh in an mi16!

    Had the injectors cleaned today, and fitted a new fuel pressure reg. Also painted the shabby fuel rail. Had a new idle control valve and coilpack for my 205 project decided to fit them to the 405. Idle is 100% better and a noticeable bit more torque.

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    Does the auto suit the Mi16? Afterall, it's a pretty revvy thing...?

    Also, are you running spacers with those wheels?

    Looks like an awesome project. Good luck with it!
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    Goog job. Glad to see Mi16's being brought back to life.

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    Going to look good with the new springs. Will have to require some pics of it when they are in.

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    I didn't even know they made an auto Mi16.

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    They didn't. It would have been converted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selekta View Post
    I didn't even know they made an auto Mi16.
    This was literally the first 9 words of my post.

    Bought an Mi16 that had been converted to auto
    Does the auto suit?...Hmm, look I've been after an automatic vehicle for a long time. With my job at the end of the day I'm exhausted and I just want to press a button and go home. So this twists my perception of the car. I think its great, coming from a very stiff, low and loud 205 with no ac...this is luxury. To me the 405 is a really good looking car, it pleases me on both counts. It keeps up with traffic at all speeds no problem and just cruises along soo beautifully. But once you go past 50%ish throttle it looses its natural vacuum and bogs down till the rpm picks up. The governor also kicks in about 5800rpm, so with an auto this car will never see 7000rpm again.

    They are an underpowered car in manual form, pretty much everything from 1992 onwards will outdrag it. It is by no mean a quick car, hell I don't even know if in 89-92 if it was a quick car. An Si/306 4hp14 may have more spritely ratios, but you would loose that cruise rpm which I think is good. I'm going to hunt for more torque, I think it will make it an even nicer drive. Nothing like driving a car which has more Hp than it needs. Maybe a keyway and a chip. If you want performance- don't even buy an mi16.

    Valentia- Can't wait to get and fit springs. It has a nose up attitude thanks to the sagged rear springs.

    What this car really needs it some paintwork correction. I've bought all the equipment from clay to a rotary buff...but what I don't have are the skills. Have been negotiating with a guy but any work will be temporary, at end of the day it really needs a spray+ some body work.
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    excellent, another 16 saved. good stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cav91 View Post
    They didn't. It would have been converted
    Interesting you say that. Attached is part of the schematic for the Motronic 1.3 XU9J4. Note the gear lever top right. It connects to relay M792, listed as the "Automatic Transmission Signal Relay". M215 is the "Starter Inhibitor Switch". Someone at PSA obviously thought about building an auto.
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    Peter, I wouldn't look to much into it as every motronic diagram I have seen has an automatic output regardless of trans fitted. I wouldn't be surprised if a test car was built though.
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    I think the torque of the Mi16 exceeded the auto's limit.

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    Possibly but the mi16 makes its max torque at 5000rpm. I'm not sure what an j4z torque is, but an j4 is 180nm right. An xu10j2, which this trans is fitted to develops 170nm at 2600. I think it exceeds the rpm limit of the box if it were to rev all the way to 7, that or fact its just not a perfect combination of the two.
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    Probably intended for the US market until they pulled the plug on sales....
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    MY XU10J2 is redlined at 6600 and gets there without hesitation.


    Quote Originally Posted by James504 View Post
    Possibly but the mi16 makes its max torque at 5000rpm. I'm not sure what an j4z torque is, but an j4 is 180nm right. An xu10j2, which this trans is fitted to develops 170nm at 2600. I think it exceeds the rpm limit of the box if it were to rev all the way to 7, that or fact its just not a perfect combination of the two.

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    A few small jobs undertaken today. Replaced the feral auto T-bar.
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    One of the big things that has annoyed me was the 2 different keys for doors and ign barrel. Had another slight score on ebay. A second hand lockset that was only 12 months old for 3gbp. Still came in the box with the original tags.

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    I still have the doors and boot to do, forgot to bring my rivet gun home from work. That's another day. Also replaced the cluster. Had a very annoying ticking noise coming from the speedo mechanism that no amount of silicone spray would fix. I thought it may have been the cable as it had come apart and was very wiggly. Replaced it with a genuine 205 cable. Now being 10cm shorter its a tight fit, but it works. 205 cables are still available. All that said I bought the last(now nfp) genuine 405 speedo cable from sydney. Will fit it as the 205 runs too close to the manifold. I heat wrapped the bejeebus out of it, but I still want it back to fit to my 205 project. Off to pick up a towbar for it tomorrow.
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    Finally got around to installing the eibach front springs. Strut tops were knackered also. I've also used S2 strut top rubbers which are about 5mm higher uncompressed when installed. I May change the rubber over to proper S1 items to get that 5mm+ back. It has settled more now, unfortunately I didn't get a photo when properly settled and in the back to back photo it has about 50kg worth of tools in the back.

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    Nice car. My favourite wheels on a 405 are still the T16, which I think are 16x6.5". I'd love a set but goodness knows where you'd find them.

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    Yeah t16 wheels are in the too hard basket. The gti180 wheels really suit the car in my eyes. I'd only ever swap them for a set of these.

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    There is a set of T16 wheels in Aus. Someone had them on a 406 that was purchased for cheap by someones brother on here.
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    Towbar fitted! Finally got round to it. Picked this up from a fellow frogger down in Ballina...well worth the drive, beautiful part of the world. Wire brushed the bar and sprayed with killrust from the gun. Had another sweet ebay score too, a genuine towbar harness for 9.99gbp. Fitment was very easy compared to newer psa towbars. I was going to build a harness myself until I came across this one, its way more complex than it needs to be. The plug is hidden up behind the rear bar. It is the only place I could mount it without it looking stupid. I also need to use a 7pin big to small adapter for my trailer so it didn't really matter where I put it. Yes I worked under it with the ghetto jackstand inb4workplacehealthandsafety. Can't wait to see how much a clapped out 1.9 auto can tow.

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