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    Continued going through the wiring, which seems like it has seen better days.

    Can anyone shed light as to what the 3 relays that sit near the passenger side headlight are, I have found the tacky relay, and I think one of them is cooling fan relay, but no luck with the other 2. Wire numbers all are in 58's, with a yellow supply 125 or 126.

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    Finally expecting delivery of a non AC tensioner and belt, only 2.5 months after I ordered it.

    Picking up a gearbox and 266mm brake package this weekend. So aiming to have it moving under its own steam before the end of the month.


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    The two cooling fans are normally controlled by three relays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    The two cooling fans are normally controlled by three relays.
    Hmm... Ok
    Any reason why you need 3 relays for 2 fans?
    Just my luck that the car is a series 1, so all my wires are in the engine bay.
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    So they can connect in series for slow speed or in parallel for fast speed. Very clever.

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    Indeed, an excellent idea.

    One of the relays is destroyed, I can see its insides, so can I assume that all 3 relays are the same?

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    Ok, spent another night on the wires, think I found everything I need for the conversion. Had to remove a fair bit of loom tape to do it, but shouldn't be too hard to re tape up.

    A quick question to anyone with a 205, what is the canister behind the bumper, on passenger side, that runs back towards the fuel tank? I noted that the gti6 had a similar system, but it was on the drivers side of the car, so I need to find out what it does, and know if it can be used or transplanted.


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    Charcoal canister.

    Part of the emission control systems, stores petrol vapour when engine is off, releases it in the manifold when the engine operates. Has charcoal in it, it's sealed, nothing special. Should last the life of the car unless you overfill the tank and it gets flooded by petrol (liquid).

    There's a little valve on its output to the manifold, some have an electric valve, some a non powered valve. That is supposed to open when the engine is operated (powered via the ignition switch). The non powered one is opened by the vacuum in the intake when the engine runs. Can be a pain in the butt if the little valve fails in a way that results in an air leak as its output is behind the flow meter. Mine did (someone broke the little vacuum takeoff port) and amongst other things contributed to poor idle. A pain in the butt to get a new one. Cretinoids at Pug dealerships haven't got a clue what the heck the thing is for, nor how to find one (obviously). Got a powered one off a Ford.

    I guess it is illegal to remove, but not sure how many still have it (or it works).
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    Leave it there and use a solenoid valve from an Mi16 to connect it to the new inlet manifold.

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    Thanks guys.

    Hope to get a bit more done in the next few days, picked up the gearbox and front brakes from cam85, thanks heaps.

    Just comparing the new gearbox to my spare, neither of which are from a 205, can I use a 306 gear selector arms, or are the 205 ones different?

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    Also, there is no bracket for holding the clutch cable, is this 205 specific too? Comparing it to my 306 xsi box, it does not have the mount points to change it over.

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    Thanks,


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    Changed water pump and timing belt, is direction meant to be clockwise or anticlockwise? No notation on old belt.


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    Arrows on the belt face towards the front of car. Engine rotates clockwise as viewed from cam gears end of motor.
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    Thanks, finally a little luck that has fallen my way.


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    Righto, some progress.

    Had a disastrous effort at getting the gearbox and clutch to align, which resulted in me trying to do the gearbox alignment with the clutch, then bolt it to the motor. Sure enough, I dropped the clutch plate about 2 ft, and that only set me back another $200.
    Got it eventually, could not imagine the difficulty in doing this with engine in.

    Engine and box are now back in the car, driveshafts in, clutch connected, and seems to be working so far.

    Still a few water hoses to run, figure out where/how to run the radiator and cooling fans.
    Then connections for the wiring, and she might be a starter before Christmas!

    I seem to have been a little over zealous with the wire cutters, as I cannot find the plug for the VSS.
    Found a VSS with both mechanical and electric send, but don't appear to have the plug.
    Will have to troll a wreckers and find the plug, and connect it to the wiring I removed from the ECU.

    From memory, ECU will do funny things without a VSS?
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    Yes you need the vss for the ecu to run correctly. Its mainly just off idle when in motion. Can cause flat spots.

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    Thanks Cam,
    Will find a way to retro fit that back into the ECU, then it should be right to go.
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    Ok, up til 1am last night connecting up wires, but could not get the fuel pump to fire from the ecu. If I put a pos on the wire to the pump, from the engine bay I can hear it come on, but not with the ignition switch.

    I will check the continuity of the wiring to the ecu next, but that got me questioning, what wire actually supplies 12v to the ecu? The 2a switched live only goes to an airbag switch and a lambda switch according to the wiring guide on 205gtidrivers forum.

    Any help greatly appreciated.


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    And I found my vss. I think. It has a foil, anti static cover?


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    Ok, connected up the plumbing, so it can hold some water, put in oils, shorted the fuel pump to prove its function, but once cranking, no go.

    Tried to measure volts across the low voltage connected to a coil, no volts.

    Any other ways I can check that the ecu is unlocked. So far, that is my conclusion, and it is rather disheartening to get this fad and not have a running car.


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    Seems like that my be the case. I would try double checking on the 205drivers forum for more info. Im sure someone could unlock it here for 100$.

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    Gti6 Ecu Unlocking? - XU 16v Engine Maintenance and Performance Upgrades - 205GTIDrivers.com

    After reading this, look like it a change of eprom, or removing the immobilising systems from the ecu.

    Hope this helps.

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    unlocking ecu 205gtidrivers.com - Google Search

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    Thanks mate, just had a look though the wiring diagram, will confirm all its supplies first, and if worst comes, will decide what to do then. Don't really want an excuse for a haltech at the moment though.


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    Most of the Bosch ECUs from this era, when in locked state, will allow fuel but no spark.

    Why aren't you trying to read the ECU with Planet or Lexia - I'm presuming you've allowed for a modern OBD-II socket?

    Rather than worrying quite so much initially about what wire code is supplying voltage to the ECU, look for it on the plug connections.

    Don't overlook all your grounding either.

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    Plug connections? My s1 has all its wiring done in the bay


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    Is it an MP5.2 or similar ECU?

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    Umm... Will get back to you on that. Not exactly sure.


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