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    So I bought myself this car because I've always like them and it seemed like a good price. Driving it home (first time ever) Friday night, I felt there was a little bit too much noise. It seemed to happen even more so when it changed gears, so we thought we'd check the auto trans fluid. Where is the dipstick for this? (I feel like a bit of a dipstick myself right now!) Got the radio unlocked yesterday and will hopefully tune it in today.
    My other question is re the heater: the manual that came with the car shows a different setup to the one I have. The fan doesn't seem to do anything...any ideas? Or is it perhaps because the car is stationary, I haven't driven it out? Incidentally this vehicle has 98k on the clock and was last serviced Dec 2011. If anyone can help I'd be really grateful, and I do apoligise right here and now for my seemingly stupid questions.

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    There is no dipstick. Search DPO and AL4 transmission.

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    The lack of response from the heater could be a blown fuse on the fan.
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    OK, it must be DPO because there is a black pan in the front of the gearbox. Thanks for that.

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    Thanks, I'll try that tomorrow!

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    If the car is driving ok I suggest you don't worry about the auto fluid level. If the level drops by a small amount the car stops driving - it will not cause any noise because the gearbox will still have 90% of its fluid still inside when it stops driving. The auto is considered to be "sealed for life" but the fluid can be changed or checked by a dealer or knowledgeable mechanic. If it isn't leaking any fluid it should be OK.
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    At those kms, find a Renault specialist or transmission specialist familiar with the Renault transmissions and have the auto fluid changed - twice.

    Sealed for life is nonsense and even the synthetic fluid lasts only so long before it results in severe wear. It's common across brands, so don't blame Renault here.

    Make they use the proper ELF Renaultmatic synthetic fluid, it's a bit hard to find.

    Try A and B Automatics in Sth Dandenong.

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    To know Heater and radio controls etc, you probably need to identify what exact model it is - Expression; Dynamique; or Privilege. You can download a lot of info off the internet, but a lot of the radios etc sound similar in name but have different face panels depending on the trim level.

    On the early Scenics I think the trim level is on the inside of the glovebox lid if you don't have it on the cars' paperwork. Check that the VIN in the owners manual actually matches your car - someone may have obtained a manual off another car at some stage.

    If you can't find any of that, the VIN itself I think can identify what model it is or things like the trim material (leather, part leather, fabric); the wheels; and whether it has sunroof(s) can help.

    All else fails, post a few external and internal photos up and the jury on here can decide....
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    Thanks for that, South Dandenong is not too far, so I'll give that a shot once I've got the RWC.

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    Default Model type is Dynamique

    Cheers! I found it like you suggested on the inside of the glove box. Thanks again!

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    Whereabouts is the Pollen Filter for this car? I was looking on the passenger side under the dash for a butterfly clip but canno see it!

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    OK pollen filter found! Now as clean as a whistle; heater fan still not working though

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    Get yourself a Haynes workshop manual for the Scenic and you will discover heaps of info. peculiar to this model Renault.

    Check with Frog members or ebay!

    Could save expensive mistakes.

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    A) Is there any display on the dash?
    B) Have you considered the resistor pack, somewhere near the fan (probably under the scuttle). Expensive, and prone to sudden failure when it does eventually go.

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    The "ťlťment de commande, climatisation" runs your fan. Across all manner of cars with Valeo and Behr HVAC systems, they are famous for carking. It's probably either 7701048390 or 7701207718 in Renaultspeak, which crosses to a PSA part with a different identifier (6441L2).

    Two cheaper fixes than dealer new:
    1. Fleabay UK or Aliexpress etc.
    2. Replace the driver transistor using one from Element 14, along with heat conductive epoxy from same.

    A little electronics experience is desirable for the latter but it will leave you with change from $50. A mate who does car AC for a crust also bridges out the thermal cutoff (where fitted) on these control modules, as he reckons it can get cantankerous with age.

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    I certainly will invest in a Haynes manual; at least I'll know if the car repairer is on the same page!

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    No display on dash;which makes me wonder if it's something I'm doing (or not doing). Car in currently at the mechs getting a RWC, and they're doing an oil change and changing the time belt while they're at it. Then I'll have to ponder the fan mystery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    At those kms, find a Renault specialist or transmission specialist familiar with the Renault transmissions and have the auto fluid changed - twice.

    Sealed for life is nonsense and even the synthetic fluid lasts only so long before it results in severe wear. It's common across brands, so don't blame Renault here.

    Make they use the proper ELF Renaultmatic synthetic fluid, it's a bit hard to find.

    Try A and B Automatics in Sth Dandenong.
    We have the proper ELF stuff in stock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mym View Post
    So I bought myself this car because I've always like them and it seemed like a good price. Driving it home (first time ever) Friday night, I felt there was a little bit too much noise. It seemed to happen even more so when it changed gears, so we thought we'd check the auto trans fluid. Where is the dipstick for this? (I feel like a bit of a dipstick myself right now!) Got the radio unlocked yesterday and will hopefully tune it in today.
    My other question is re the heater: the manual that came with the car shows a different setup to the one I have. The fan doesn't seem to do anything...any ideas? Or is it perhaps because the car is stationary, I haven't driven it out? Incidentally this vehicle has 98k on the clock and was last serviced Dec 2011. If anyone can help I'd be really grateful, and I do apoligise right here and now for my seemingly stupid questions.
    Private sale or dealer? Warranty?

    No need to apologise - this is a friendly forum!

    Best wishes to you with the Scenic. Great design.
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    Hi John, no warranty; purchased via online auction: have always liked this model and I thought why not! As they say Fortune favours the Brave!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mym View Post
    Hi John, no warranty; purchased via online auction: have always liked this model and I thought why not! As they say Fortune favours the Brave!
    Fair enough. They are pretty reliable by reputation. Keep a very close eye on driveshaft boots I'm advised.

    With luck you'll have a few minor niggles to sort out. I'd try and find a trustworthy owner or repair business and get them to drive it and identify any issues they might recognise and you not.

    Then there's the usual - change the cambelt if you don't know when it was last done and think about all fluids and filters.

    Enjoy - I reckon they're really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman View Post
    If the car is driving ok I suggest you don't worry about the auto fluid level. If the level drops by a small amount the car stops driving...
    I am not sure about this; there is no level sensor in the PSA version.

    From a safety point of view, I would prefer a gearbox in compromised mode, to keep moving. What may normally be idiocy in operation, could be necessity for one time only. When the AL4 valve block fails completely (all solenoids de-energised) if it (the gearbox) has enough fluid to generate torque the car should still reverse slowly. One presumes this was designed in, to get it back to the workshop for a new gearbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    I am not sure about this; there is no level sensor in the PSA version.
    What I meant was simply that if you lose a litre or so of fluid from an auto trans, the torque converter will start slipping due to low fluid level (ie, not driving), while it still has say 90% fluid available for lubrication, so no damage is done. I always regard this as a built-in failsafe mode with auto trans. Usually doesnt let you down suddenly, unless you knocked a hole in the trans oil pan!

    I work to the "no loss theory". If there are no leaks, and its driving normally, why would I bother to check the oil level, when it is a difficult job to do so.

    Different story with manual trans - one must know that there is plenty of oil in there or you could destroy the transmission.

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    My reno autos have always "worked or not worked" according to fluid level.

    If it gets low, it will lose drive totally to return with a thump as the fluid is picked up again. Reminds me of BA ford wagons we had at one job I had - they would do this mid corner under full power from oil surge in the transmission - return of all that grunt sharply after a sudden loss was always fun at speed

    Never felt the fail safe slip you speak of...

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    Update! Well the RWC is almost complete. It was quite hysterical !!! Helloooo!! I said just look up slightly to the right and it's right there mate, just pull it down! Which goes to prove that once they've done the RCW they won't be getting their hands on my Renault!
    The parts they quoted were way over my estimate so here is a BIG THANK YOU to David Cavanagh (French Connection) for helping with recycled parts and also CARAVELLE IMPORTS. Both gentlemen also directed me to 2 Renault mechanics in my area. So I guess next time I take it in for some TLC i won't get mechs with a glazed look, questioning my choice of vehicle. So my Scenic will be on the road Friday and then I'll get the timing belt and the auto trans fluid seen to immediately. Thank you all for your very helpful hints, even though I had to google images of most parts to keep up!

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