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    Hey froggers.

    Just planning a trip to UK, Spain and France later this year. Will be carrying myself, wife, 15 year old, 12 year old and, for some of the journey, my father-in-law.

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    Renault Eurodrive are doing good deals and I've narrowed the choice to Grand Scenic 1.6 diesel (daughter is keen on the third row idea although this eats into luggage so likely not usable) or Espace 2.0 diesel.

    I see the Grand Scenic boasts 700 litres of luggage in 5-seat format, the Espace only 650 litres, but either would suffice. The Scenic is $2100 for the month, the Espace $3000.

    My question, for anyone that knows, realising that we don't get the Espace here - is the Espace that much better as regards refinement, performance, chassis? I also wondered about the rear seat comfort of each - maybe the slight extra width of the Espace helps compared to a Scenic in 2+3 form.

    Thanks!
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    I'd try and find a C6 You want a nice comfy limo to travel around in right

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    Grand Espace or normal Espace - there's a big difference!
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    Has to be a Renault. Ref avatar and sig

    Seriously, Citroen don't to a C6 lease, C5 might be OK but can't pick-up from LHR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    Grand Espace or normal Espace - there's a big difference!
    Espace, Joel - Grand Espace is too big and more expensive again. I think the standard Espace just creeps into car size for one of the ferry trips we're considering.
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    Ah - I've only been in a Grand Espace then, can't comment on the smaller version!
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    Do the Grands have 2+2+2 seating?
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    Don't know about the Scenic, but I have owned 3 Espace of various vintage. IMHO the older the better!

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    From experience the 2nd generation Grand Scenic takes two car seats and an adult across the back seat - the current 3rd generation model is probably better still.

    I'd take the Grand Scenic, it's a similar length to a mid sized sedan, the Espace is bigger.
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    Well sort of. The Grand Scenic is only 10mm shorter and 20mm narrower than the Espace. The Espace is 150mm taller though.
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    Here you go. Perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68 404 View Post
    Here you go. Perfect!

    http://annunci.ebay.it/annunci/auto/...9-jtd/30477562

    "Excellent condition, new shocks, perfect engine and always dealer stamped services, good body"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwia110 View Post
    That is truly the saddest car ever made. Even an Estafette with it's sad face looks happier to exist.
    I think they're cool

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    Dig the Multipla - a Bangle design is it not?

    Cooler would be an Avantime though.
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    Go the Espace. We hired one in France a while back and it was just an amazing car. Renault should be selling them here but they wont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney View Post
    Go the Espace. We hired one in France a while back and it was just an amazing car. Renault should be selling them here but they wont.
    Renault should be selling a lot of different cars here. If VW and Peugeot can do it to build momentum, you think another large multinational company could do the same thing.
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    Hey Trixie,
    As a UK based Avantime owner, i have to ask, why dont you just buy a yourself a lovely avantime for the duration of your trip!
    Get yourself the perfect holiday car - lots of windows, massive boots, smooth v6 etc etc
    Here is one on autotrader in resonable condition for about AUD$2,1000!
    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...30db?logcode=p
    At the end of the trip you can sell it for anythig more than 500 and still make a profit.
    i am not sure how you would go about insurance, but you can get european breakdown cover as peace of mind for not much...
    good luck and enjoy the trip!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2353 View Post
    Renault should be selling a lot of different cars here. If VW and Peugeot can do it to build momentum, you think another large multinational company could do the same thing.
    I totally agree it doesn't add up to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixie View Post
    Hey froggers.

    Just planning a trip to UK, Spain and France later this year. Will be carrying myself, wife, 15 year old, 12 year old and, for some of the journey, my father-in-law.

    Renault Eurodrive are doing good deals and I've narrowed the choice to Grand Scenic 1.6 diesel (daughter is keen on the third row idea although this eats into luggage so likely not usable) or Espace 2.0 diesel.

    I see the Grand Scenic boasts 700 litres of luggage in 5-seat format, the Espace only 650 litres, but either would suffice. The Scenic is $2100 for the month, the Espace $3000.

    My question, for anyone that knows, realising that we don't get the Espace here - is the Espace that much better as regards refinement, performance, chassis? I also wondered about the rear seat comfort of each - maybe the slight extra width of the Espace helps compared to a Scenic in 2+3 form.

    Thanks!
    I have no experience of either but on a trip to the states I rented a Chrysler Grand Voyager for me, spouse, two daughters & 4 suitcases. I think that anything smaller would have been awkward because of the luggage. My advice is that you should find out as much as you can on interior dimensions & take the biggest where your stress point is. So, if your luggage will fit into the Espace boot then take it for passenger space; but if the extra litres of the Grand Scenic matter for luggage, then take it. On a tour with back seat passengers, space is the dominant criterion of choice.
    cheers! Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by muhnkee_2 View Post
    Hey Trixie,
    As a UK based Avantime owner, i have to ask, why dont you just buy a yourself a lovely avantime for the duration of your trip!
    Get yourself the perfect holiday car - lots of windows, massive boots, smooth v6 etc etc
    Here is one on autotrader in resonable condition for about AUD$2,1000!
    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...30db?logcode=p
    At the end of the trip you can sell it for anythig more than 500 and still make a profit.
    i am not sure how you would go about insurance, but you can get european breakdown cover as peace of mind for not much...
    good luck and enjoy the trip!
    Greg
    Haha! I'm a big fan of the Avantime and the thought has actually crossed my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixie View Post
    Haha! I'm a big fan of the Avantime and the thought has actually crossed my mind.
    Whatever you do go for the 3L V6.

    I've recently changed from a 2.4 to a 3L people mover.

    The difference is staggering and the performance effortless. Fuel consumption is almost identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2353 View Post
    Renault should be selling a lot of different cars here. If VW and Peugeot can do it to build momentum, you think another large multinational company could do the same thing.
    Its not the manufacturer that is the problem, its the importer who decides what we need and how much he can milk out of us without him having to do more than just bring the car in.

    In answer to what would suit to tour Europe with I would think you cannot go past the Citroen package and use a Grand Picasso for the trip, cant get better comfort than this.

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