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    Default Renault 16 Australian Register - Discussion Thread

    Calling all R16 Owners.

    Please consider joining the R16 register. So far we have 6 members and 10 cars. To ensure authenticity of the register I won't add anyone or any car unless they have specifically contacted me via email or PM (via Aussiefrogs) or though this thread. I know of 57 different R16's in Australia within the last 2 years and I am sure there are plenty more. I am happy to do the organising/database/admin.

    Some benefits of putting your car on the register will be as follows:

    - An easy way for sourcing spare parts though other members.
    - Access to borrowing a multitude of specialised R16 tools, if available.
    - A cheaper way to buy spare parts in bulk from O/S including saving on postage.
    - Possiblity to organise gatherings fairly easily, including a potential national gathering on the R16's
    upcoming 50 years since launch 2015.
    - A reference point for potential buyers / sellers.
    - A register creates confidence in the car for current or future owners.
    - General technical help from other members where available.
    - Your R16 deserves it!
    - It doesn't cost anything.

    All I need is:
    Model: (1150/1151/1152/1153/1154/1156) (Top number on the Oval Plate)
    Fabrication No: (Bottom number on the oval plate)
    Year:
    Colour:
    Owner:
    Any Prev history (if known):
    Status: (eg Registered, Unregistered, Parts only, under restoration etc)
    Your Email address:

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    So c'mon, get out to the garage, write down your numbers and send an email to:

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    Thanks for the prompt, Sarosa.

    Will have a third if the weekend proceeds as planned!

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    You have my details.
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    On a side note, wouldn't it be handy if we started all 16 threads with 16 at the beginning..?
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    Here's Mine !

    1971 Model, Beach Haze
    R1151, Fabrication Number 215367
    Vin Number 2722207
    Distance Travelled as at 15.03.2012 127,000miles

    Originally purchased from Seymour's of Roseville on 5th November 1971 by a Mr R.S. Sweney of 5 Carmen Drive, Carlingford, NSW for a total purchase price of $3274. Original rego number was CQS 657.

    I purchased the car in November 2011 from a gentleman on the Gold Coast who possibly was the 2nd or 3rd owner. I have original owners manuals and original purchase papers. Car remains un restored apart from some paint touch ups to most of the lower panels.

    From what i can establish it has always been registered, either fully or conditional. Car is currently on conditional registration in NSW.

    Since my purchase in November 2012 it been serviced, new starter motor, battery and a set of new tyres, the old Michelins were hard and lumpy!. What's left is to have the passenger rear quarter and rear of the car painted and fit a new water pump.
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    Whilst you are collecting numbers, you may as well get the version number between the type number and fabrication number on the oval plate (not stamped on many AUS built car oval plates). It would help identify the oddities that may be stranded far from their first home.

    It prompts memories of a 16 that was for sale at Bill Richards near on 30 years ago now. An R1150 with a bench seat. It was appliance white with pie floater green trim, the trim alone identified it as a non Australian build car, and even then it was in good knick compared to a lot of other 16s around.

    Also another from the where-are-they-now file circa 1972. R1151/230141, Teal Blue/Bone trim. This was bought by a guy in the then Citroen club, and was apparently a special order with suspension changes and other reinforcement mods in preparation for rough road running. The SA rego number of RXG 424 comes up as long unregistered, and being from the era of Electrophoresis, it is probably unlikely the car has survived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEEE View Post
    ...Will have a third if the weekend proceeds as planned!
    Nice one. Fill us in if all goes well.

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    Here's Mine !

    1971 Model, Beach Haze
    R1151, Fabrication Number 215367
    Vin Number 2722207
    Distance Travelled as at 15.03.2012 127,000miles..........
    Great photo's of your 16 GavClassic, looks to be in nice condition. Nice colour too - havn't seen one in Beach Haze before. Thanks for joining.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    .......It prompts memories of a 16 that was for sale at Bill Richards near on 30 years ago now. An R1150 with a bench seat.
    Sound like a 16DL (Oct 1965 to Aug 1970) or a 16 (No post initials) (Sept 70 to Aug 72). My understanding is all Australian R1150's from 68 to 71 were just designated the Renault 16, but were European 16GL spec, main difference between early DL being individual front reclining seats, grab handles, front carpeting and extra chrome embellishment. Concur?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Also another from the where-are-they-now file circa 1972. R1151/230141, Teal Blue/Bone trim. This was bought by a guy in the then Citroen club, and was apparently a special order with suspension changes and other reinforcement mods in preparation for rough road running. The SA rego number of RXG 424 comes up as long unregistered, and being from the era of Electrophoresis, it is probably unlikely the car has survived.
    How long ago are we taliking about you seeing this? .......Electrophoresis ain't always a death sentance Simon, my rally car's original paint had gone down to the electrphoresis over many large areas but never rusted from there. But true, a 69 with the electrphoresis I got seemed to be rusty beyond comprehension. (See Photo of Front Shock Mounting) . Reverse wire's in the tup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarosa View Post
    Sound like a 16DL (Oct 1965 to Aug 1970) or a 16 (No post initials) (Sept 70 to Aug 72). My understanding is all Australian R1150's from 68 to 71 were just designated the Renault 16, but were European 16GL spec, main difference between early DL being individual front reclining seats, grab handles, front carpeting and extra chrome embellishment. Concur?
    Sort of. My understanding was the UK R1150 spec cars were 16 Deluxe (DL) or 16 Grand Luxe (or more common 16 GL). The Euro spec cars being 16 (Normale) or 16 Super. Oh yes, the Australian R1150 16 was just designated a 16 (with the Super/GL spec trim), until replaced by the 16TL for 1971.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sarosa View Post
    How long ago are we taliking about you seeing this? .......Electrophoresis ain't always a death sentance Simon, my rally car's original paint had gone down to the electrphoresis over many large areas but never rusted from there. But true, a 69 with the electrphoresis I got seemed to be rusty beyond comprehension. (See Photo of Front Shock Mounting) . Reverse wire's in the tup
    This was 1972, the car was new at the time, with a big fuss over it being a special order.

    Granted electrophoresis didn't kill every car. But a lot of the cars did die very young, there were a lot of the cars quite rusty in the late 1970's, and even in the 1980's seeing a good 16 (sans Save the Whales and No Dams stickers) was more the exception than the rule. And the bleue/blanc/rouge/orange very early 12s were a rare sight. I remember visiting Renawreck here in Adelaide in the mid 1980's, there were three really rusty cars in a row, with the "Protected by Electrophoresis" stickers on the rear window. Even now, there seems to be more pre-1970 and post 1972 survivors, with fewer survivors from the really bad electrophoresis years in between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    ..............The Euro spec cars being 16 (Normale) or 16 Super.
    Ah Cheers, that clarify's for me where the "Super" term fits in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarosa View Post
    Ah Cheers, that clarify's for me where the "Super" term fits in.
    Being at a loose end, and having no real idea about 16s, I thought I'd better check what fell out of my head onto the keyboard.

    First stop was the good 'ol PR820 parts catalogue. The only versions mentioned were De Luxe and Grand Luxe with various seating combinations, including a Grand Luxe with bench seat. Second stop was to a 1967 brochure, that referred to a Grand Luxe Super version (with centre armrest and storage box). This was the only model variant referred to in the Euro version English language brochure. Various other publications were checked, that showed the Super version was a 1967 MY introduction variant with the centre storage box. Even more stuff was checked that referred to the Euro market R1150 as having Luxe (sans De) and Grand Luxe models. So there appear to be plenty of different descriptions of the various R1150 models in its era. So it would seem that the AUS spec R1150 would actually have a Euro market description of 16 Grand Luxe Super. :-)
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    Hi Simon,
    While you still have the Australian Parts Book open, were any of the late 16TSs fitted with the rough terrain suspensions ? David at French Connection seems to think so, in particular the lower control arms. Was it possible the thicker torsion bars, were also fitted, and if so on what models??

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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    Hi Simon,
    While you still have the Australian Parts Book open, were any of the late 16TSs fitted with the rough terrain suspensions ? David at French Connection seems to think so, in particular the lower control arms. Was it possible the thicker torsion bars, were also fitted, and if so on what models??

    Thanks,
    OK, I've got PR995 (R1151/R1154/R1156) parts catalogues Edition 2 (7/1974), Edition 3 (9/1974) & Derniere (latest or final) edition (12/1977).

    The Australian version number is 761. There are three torsion bars used for the R1151 versions:

    1) The Normal Road version (yellow (RH) & dark red (LH) colour markings) 17.4mm diameter.

    2) The Poor Road version (medium blue & yellow (RH) & medium blue & dark red (LH) colour markings) 18.2mm diameter.

    3) The Special Road version (white & yellow (RH) & white & dark red (LH) colour markings) 18.2mm in diameter.

    Now the fun starts.

    Edition 2 lists the version 761 (of the R1151/R1154/R1156) as having 2), the Poor Road version listed above.

    Edition 3 & the Derniere edition lists the version 761 (of the R1154 & R1156 only) having 2) the Poor Road version listed above. The 761 version of the R1151 is not mentioned in the latter 2 parts catalogues under either parts listing. So whether this means that the later R1151 (oval plate 398701 onwards) 761 version was fitted with the Special Road version torsion bars would have to be examined by someone with a late model R1151 16TS to see if the appropriate colours are on the bars. I'll see if there is any other documentation which helps.

    The lower suspension arms were the same as the Special Roads version for the Australian 761 version from R1151/276744 and R1154/10700 (1973 MY).

    Attached are pics of the latest lower wishbone for reference purposes. It is P/N 77 01 461 011 (LH) & 77 01 461 012 (RH). It is a generic replacement part for the R1151/R1152/R1153/R1154/R1155/R1156/R1157 variants sans balljoint (to allow for the differences in balljoints over the life of the listed models). Thee number doesn't appear in the normal 16 parts catalogues, but appears in a later PR900 "fast moving" parts catalogue for obsolete vehicles.
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    Hi Simon,

    Now I knew you were the man with his finger on the pulse, But this just proves you are "The Doctor"!!!!

    Very impressed !!

    Thank you for your research, and putting it on the Forum.

    Ray
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    Details to come soon, Sarosa


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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEEE View Post
    Details to come soon, Sarosa
    Oh what a great photo and a great fleet.!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Being at a loose end, and having no real idea about 16s, I thought I'd better check what fell out of my head onto the keyboard.

    First stop was the good 'ol PR820 parts catalogue. The only versions mentioned were De Luxe and Grand Luxe with various seating combinations, including a Grand Luxe with bench seat. Second stop was to a 1967 brochure, that referred to a Grand Luxe Super version (with centre armrest and storage box). This was the only model variant referred to in the Euro version English language brochure. Various other publications were checked, that showed the Super version was a 1967 MY introduction variant with the centre storage box. Even more stuff was checked that referred to the Euro market R1150 as having Luxe (sans De) and Grand Luxe models. So there appear to be plenty of different descriptions of the various R1150 models in its era. So it would seem that the AUS spec R1150 would actually have a Euro market description of 16 Grand Luxe Super. :-)
    A bit more reading and I think:

    (De) Luxe - Front bench instead of front seats. I think the (De) was used in UK + Other markets.
    Grand Luxe - Separate front seats with fixed back support, hand glove box without cover in between the front seats.
    Grand Luxe Super - Separate front seats with adjustable back support, hand glove box with cover, centre armrest at the rear seats, cigarette lighter, dashboard locker and bonnet with locks, luggage compartment illuminated.

    So I guess yes all Australian R16 R1150's are 16GLS's unless someone can show us a fixed front seat and open middle compartment ect.

    On the lower wishbones, I can't spot any differences in the later plated type ones I have or have seen compared to your photo. The only two I have ever seen are the early (Up to 1970/Fab 1150 to 502653/R1151 to Fab 129829)) unplated ones and then the plated ones. One thing I am not clear on is the change to the lower wishbone to accomodate the Spider GE86 Coupling did this occur at the same time as this update of did it occur separetly on the plated wishbones, effectivly creating two type's of plated wishbones???. I have a few Cast Bed Driveshafts and need to know if any will fit on plated lowers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarosa View Post
    On the lower wishbones, I can't spot any differences in the later plated type ones I have or have seen compared to your photo. The only two I have ever seen are the early (Up to 1970/Fab 1150 to 502653/R1151 to Fab 129829)) unplated ones and then the plated ones. One thing I am not clear on is the change to the lower wishbone to accomodate the Spider GE86 Coupling did this occur at the same time as this update of did it occur separetly on the plated wishbones, effectivly creating two type's of plated wishbones???. I have a few Cast Bed Driveshafts and need to know if any will fit on plated lowers.
    From the MR 96 workshop manual, the lower wishbone was modified to accept the GE86 driveshaft from R1150 (Normal and poor road) 502653 and R1151 (normal and poor road) 120839, so it coincides (nearly with the R1151, possible typo between documents?) with your numbers above. The smaller Cast BED shafts should fit with the later plated wishbones. The 1979 PR 900 spare parts catalogue lists only the later type lower wishbone as a replacement for all R1150 versions from Fab. number 9379.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    ....... The 1979 PR 900 spare parts catalogue lists only the later type lower wishbone as a replacement for all R1150 versions from Fab. number 9379.
    Thanks Simon. I must get a copy of PR900, looks like it ties up all the loose ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarosa View Post
    Thanks Simon. I must get a copy of PR900, looks like it ties up all the loose ends.
    Note that not all PR900 are created equal. As models became more obsolete they drop out of the catalogue, as parts were created to be more generic the part numbers changed. So whilst the R1150 featured in the 1979 PR900, by 1989 the R1150 had disappeared, and the lower wishbones had been superseded by the generic wishbone without the balljoint fitted, which also had a different part number. So you need a whole load of catalogues to, hopefully, complete the jigsaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    Hi Simon,

    Now I knew you were the man with his finger on the pulse, But this just proves you are "The Doctor"!!!!

    Very impressed !!

    Thank you for your research, and putting it on the Forum.

    Ray
    And I remain, as ever, very impressed Simon. Our 16TS Special had the reinforced lower wishbones (South African origins was the story at the time) and definitely thicker torsion bars than the early cars but I don't know which colour code.

    My father had an early 16TS from new and it definitely did not have reinforced wishbones - quite expensive to fix at the time when they distorted!

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    motor ? 807 040011780

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    Registered, country car............. improving a little at a time

    what does it tell us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restor-a-16TS View Post
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    6-76 E 2937371
    motor ? 807 040011780
    ghost gum acrylic 566-17010
    Registered, country car............. improving a little at a time
    what does it tell us?
    It tell's us the following:
    R1151 - The car is a TS Manual
    The fabrication No: is 408021 which in the TS 1151 series is a very late fabrication. This number can also be cross referenced in the parts manual to obtain correct specifications for you particular car.
    The 761 means an Australian car.
    The 6-76 is the manufacture date ie June 1976 so a 1976 model. New models begin in the Sept month for Renault so for eg a manufacture date of 10-76 would make it a 77 model.
    The 2937371 is the Chassis No:
    The 807 is the engine type - 16TS and the number 040011780 looks like it's the original engine for that period.

    So all in all the numbers all appear correct and you have an original car!! which can be cross referenced to the PR Manual from 1977 to obtain your specifications. Hope this helps.

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    Zaccy's car 1969 r16TS

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaccy View Post
    Zaccy's car 1969 r16TS

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    Thanks Zaccy. The S is a 5 (I think) making it Fab No: 57,567 which is a very early TS in Australia. Nice one, I don't think I know of an existing earlier one than that, so far. Is this the one that was for sale in Sydney recently (one owner)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarosa View Post
    The S is a 5 (I think) making it Fab No: 57,567 which is a very early TS in Australia.
    The Fab. number will be 87867, dating from November 1969.
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