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    Hi, have any of you heard of the Air-Conditioning-gas known as HYCHILL ?


    For years now I've been having "mindgames" with myself, AF, the world & the humble yet strangely

    flexible R12 regarding fitting AIR-CONDITIONING to an R12.


    When you've all ceased rolling around the floor laughing or sniggering , some

    of you may recall this topic was quite interesting BEFORE the "AF-Collapse" & to the 'doubters' I can

    only say I've been assured by those who know lots more than I that.......

    ......... YES ! - IT WORKS VERY WELL !

    ALL posts/discussions/info re: HYCHILL (from memory) did seem to originate from Victoria - NOT QLD.



    Rather than go into -(madness?)- the pros/cons of modifying an R12 to have COLD Air-Con, I wish to

    simply discuss the product made(?) & sold from VICTORIA known as HYCHILL.


    This has been highly recommended by those many AFers-(Alan S. I think?) who seemed to know

    more about Automotive-Air-Con than I do about "Classical" Ancient Greek Literature -( rather a

    lot !!) & about 12 months ago HYCHILL has become (finally) available for sale in QLD.




    BURSON AUTO PARTS all over QLD sell HYCHILL @$30=300gm CANNISTER with an 'ADAPTOR' @ $62

    over the counter,(& much larger quantities) BUT cannot tell me of a SINGLE air-con-specialist who will

    'gas-up' an older vehicle with HYCHILL ?!



    After speaking to some Automotive Air-con-shops I was told HYCHILL was ILLEGAL in QLD, did NOT

    work anyway, was complete crap, "bad" for the ozone & they'd "lose their licence" if they installed it!

    Hmm?

    "Sure fellas ! " .... such tender-care for our ozone really endeared these rude ?%***$$*$** to my heart and soul !

    errr... hmmm .... NO possibility that $$$ may enter into this HYCHILL-topic at all ?


    HYCHILL can be SOLD in QLD but NOT installed for use in QLD !??


    This situation does almost remind me of the hypocritical status of my long-ago youth where any QLD

    Tobacconist/novelty-shop were selling BONGS, HOOKAHS, & associated 'illegal-dope-smoking-devices'

    well within the law BUT once a person was found with the said goods after having used them for the

    purposes of their design, they were in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    After the 'r12a' gas vanished totally I spent $500 converting a 1982 R20TS to run on 'r134a' air-con

    gas only to find it was SO utterly USELESS, I hadda getta 1995 FORD FAIRMONT simply for it's cold

    air-con which is not as cold as it could be despite a complete 'air-con-overhaul' done only 13 months

    ago & this is a serious "HEALTH-ISSUE' for my wife- NOT comfort for myself, as we both much prefer

    to use our R12s when the weather is below 30 degrees!


    The '95 FORD is "horrible, cramped, hard-riding-stupid 'computerized crapski" in our worthless

    opinions & is worth even LESS than an R12 !?!!!:


    [I won't go into the 'modern' French car-air-con-arena, as I shall never afford a model that is new enough to have FREEZING air-con & may as well keep my $100 '95 FORD !]


    Apparently, people with "the" skills simply 'gas-up' with HYCHILL themselves, as many

    Broadacre-farmers are using it way out WEST in that disgusting heat so they can keep COOL inside

    the cabs of their large tractors/harvesters,etc, & it seems to be a 'natural-type gas similar to LPG-but

    that remains outa my area of knowledge.

    (I do know of a local rural man who chills his '82 Mitsi-Colt with LPG in his Air-Con-system)

    but I don't know him personally & of course it is not legal !



    The point is: has ANYONE in QLD found or can assist me to locate ANYONE within 500klms of

    BRISBANE to gas up any car with HYCHILL?


    Are any QLDers using HYCHILL in their auto-air-conditioners ?


    If so, then I WILL proceed with my MAD longterm-project of modifying an R12 to have

    an 'under-dash-type AIR-CON-setup' as I want to stop driving these apparently worthless, plastic &

    "ancient" 1995 FORD FALCON/FAIRMONT mobile-pooboxes &

    have ONE freezing cold R12 for those VERY hot daze in QLD's summers.



    Any experience, advice, tips, abuse, regarding HYCHILL in QLD will be sincerely appreciated!


    Sincere regards, Markwants12someday?

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    Phew what a post.....Have you been sniffing Hychill ?
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    Well I read the first few lines anyway

    hychill isn't a miracle cure for anything. Using it I would expect the air-con to work about as well as it did on the old R12 gas. It's not going to make old marginal air-con systems that were always poor.... suddenly work really well.

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    Default Aircon in an R12

    I drove a 1.4L Virage wagon once with an manual and aircon. It required a cut off switch on the accelerator pedal to prevent the calendar changing to the next day whilst you were a attempting to increase speed.

    Give it up! Refer to my last post on R16 Airconditioning for Lotus Europas!
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    Mark,

    There are a lot of things sold in Australia that are actually illegal to use. Hychill may be one of them, I don't know.
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    Not so sure. My daughter had a little 3cyl Suzuki a few years ago. It had A/C that worked well and didn't reduce performance enough to be bothersome.

    Mark, you'll have to do it yourself - learn first of course. It'll cost you a set of gauges and a compressor from an old fridge. A purpose designed two stage pump would of course be better. And yes, i've used BBQ gas at times and it works just as well. However, the claim is that it is not purified so one takes a risk 'gumming' up the system

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo View Post
    Not so sure. My daughter had a little 3cyl Suzuki a few years ago. It had A/C that worked well and didn't reduce performance enough to be bothersome.

    Mark, you'll have to do it yourself - learn first of course. It'll cost you a set of gauges and a compressor from an old fridge. A purpose designed two stage pump would of course be better. And yes, i've used BBQ gas at times and it works just as well. However, the claim is that it is not purified so one takes a risk 'gumming' up the system

    The three cylinder Suzuki would have had no measurable performance without A/C so you're right, adding it would make no difference to it's performance?

    As a former Airforce armourer, I'd better not to mention the loud bang you'll get when your "unpurified" lunatic LPG coolant escapes and comes into contact with some form of spark. I suspect that in a court of law you probably wouldn't even mention the fact you'd used it!

    R12 is illegal and the new stuff won't work in your old airconditioner. It's nature's way of telling you something!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    The three cylinder Suzuki would have had no measurable performance without A/C so you're right, adding it would make no difference to it's performance?
    Kept up with city traffic even on freeways without struggle. Never took it to a race track

    As a former Airforce armourer, I'd better not to mention the loud bang you'll get when your "unpurified" lunatic LPG coolant escapes and comes into contact with some form of spark. I suspect that in a court of law you probably wouldn't even mention the fact you'd used it!
    Hychill is propane and butane and burns just as well as BBQ gas. The explosive force in case it is ignited does depend on quantity and extent of confinment not to mention the appropriate a/f ratios - but you know that anyway.

    R12 is illegal and the new stuff won't work in your old airconditioner. It's nature's way of telling you something!
    Well, it does but not as efficiently. Where does nature's way come into it?

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    I can understand peoples reservation against hydrocarbon based refrigerant, but there are a few things that are probably worth considering to put things into perspective.

    A car AC system probably has about about 300 grams of refrigerant.

    Most leaks are weeping style leaks that will eventaully cause the system pressure to gradually drop over months or years to a level that the pressure switch no longer activates the compressor.

    Most fast leaks are usually the result of a physical contact with the condensor which is outside the car.

    Even if the entire contents of 300 grams dumped inside the car overnight and you didn't notice the (added on purpose) odour, the cabin of a vehicle is probably 1000 litres resulting in a potential A/F ratio of around problem roughly 3000:1.

    Then of course you must consider that if all the stars do by some miracle align and a rapid discharge of 300grams of propane occurs at the exact same moment you pull the cigarette lighter out, this may be what happens inside the car...

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    I realise that it's a small amount of gas we're talking about and the fact it might be unlikely to expose it'self in one exciting rush but commonsense says if we are trying to remove hydrocarbon emissions and fires and explosions from our daily lives leaking a whole lot of propane from countless aged R12 and similar air-conditoners on a daily basis does sound a bit stupid!

    Get some 300 grams of propane into a small container at the correct air fuel ratio and ignite it. (Dont try this at home kiddies!) Mythbusters! You'll undoubtedly be impressed by the result! This could also be nature's way of telling you to desist with such a project! If this works for you can also try Iso Propyl Nitrate as a refrigerant, I'm sure it would work just as well.

    I wonder if using such an alternative product is legal anyway? I believe the EPA accepted refrigerant is R134A or a very close relation. Whether Tetraflouroethane (R134A) is a close relation of propane or not I don't know, but I do know it's not inflammable. Propane is.
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    If you invesitage air-con fires, I'm pretty sure when I searched around the only evidence of fires was in R134a systems.... You see the oil used is under pressure and flammable ...........................

    Even if you dumped the entire contents of the air-con system into the car all at once, then struck a match .................. Would the oxygen/gas percentage be right for combustion ?? The may not be enough air/oxygen if the windows are up.

    I have 70litres of high octane fuel in a plastic fuel tank, some cars have another 80 litres of LPG in a cylinder in the boot............. Do you really think I'm going to care about 300grams of refrigerant.

    Look at it this way, next time you go shopping, count up the "pressure" sprays you have purchased. stain removers, fly spray, deoderant .etc.... how many grams of hydrocarbon propellant do you think are in these frail little tin cans ?? I think it's safer in the air-con system thanks

    I'm not saying it would be impossible to create the "ideal" air/fuel mixture for combustion, but I reckon it should would be bloody difficult. It would probably be easier to win tatts 3weeks in a row, than it would be to "blow" yourself up with 300grams of refrigerant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post

    R12 is illegal and the new stuff won't work in your old airconditioner. It's nature's way of telling you something!
    Yes, R12 is illegal, but surprisingly, Hychill (aka HR12 if I recall correctly) DOES work in old style systems. This is why our CX with a compressor made for R12 gas is probably one of the few in Australia that has working airconditioning.

    The gassing work was undertaken by a licensed installer of Hychill in Sydney (Triumph Tune) and it has been faultless for over 2 years. I have no more fears about the small amount of gas in the system than I do about the 70 litre of petrol and various other flammables being simultaneously transported with me at 110km/h down the freeway.

    I think the Qld paranoia has been brought about by fear mongering by the manufacturers of other gases who maybe are not licensed to manufacture Hychill.

    I also know of other R134a cars that are running Hychill, with no problems.
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    Mark,

    I'm also running Hychill in my CX. The air con doesn't work as well as a modern car, but that is because it is a CX which has a crap ventilation system and lots of heat soak. Even so, it's much better than not having it - even in Brisbane's hot and humid summers. My car has a new compressor, condensor and all hoses. I did a fair bit of reading on the risks and benefits of Hychill and R134a and decided that most of hype surrounding Hychill was FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) and that R134a is not particularly safe or enviornmentally clean either. That tank full of petrol is a bigger risk...
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    3 things:

    1. I doubt that Hychill is illegal in Qld. Hychill is one brand name for a refrigerant r600a, it is a blend of propane and butane if I remember right.
    It is now being used in domestic fridges as it is generally more energy efficient than r134a.

    2. The quantity of r600a used in a car is likely to be very small. Again I don't have the facts at my fingertips, but I remember that the amount of r600a used in a system is much less than gassing the same fridge with r12 or r134a. I understand that in an r600a domestic fridge there is less gas than in a cigarette lighter.

    3. why not contact Hychill themselves and ask for details of a car aircon mechanic who uses hychill? They would surely know either if there is someone, or if there is some rule against it in Qld? Here is their website:
    http://www.hychill.com.au/

    I live in a solar powered house in Southern Vic, in a place famous for its high rainfall and foggy weather. We have to be careful not to waste power. Last year we finally found a fridge that uses little enough power for our modest solar power system. It is a 215 litre two door cyclic defrost fridge (not frost free), it is reasonably well insulated and uses an efficient compressor with r600a refrigerant. It works brillinatly for us, even though it is a Chinese cheapy. It is rated to use 370 kwh a year.[ I have a gadget to measure its power use over time and it actually uses much less than that, under 200 kwh a year. That's because the star rating test is done with the fridge in a room at 32 degrees, to simulate hot QLD or NT conditions. In out kitchen most of the year it is under 20 degree, in summer gets to 25 briefly.] A very similar, Australian made fridge I saw in a second hand shop recently was rated at 790 kwh a year. Then design was almost identical, the main differences were the older fridge would have used a less efficient compressor, and the old one was R12. R134a is even less energy efficient than R12, that was one of the complaints made about it when R12 was banned.

    Refrigeration technology has advanced a lot in the last decade or two, your best bet surely would be using a new modern efficient compressor with r600a gas. Personally Mark if you still have an R20 I reckon it would be easier to get decent air put in that than an R12. I had an R20 years ago, it had the original dealer-fitted air with the evaporator which replaced the centre fresh air vents, and it was woeful. When the evaporator developed an irreparable leak, ther aircon mechanic advised to go for an underdash unit as they could be larger. They fitted a good used underdash unit, a Sanden from memory, and it was great - kept us cool for a trip to Darwin. It was a low profile unit, not too bulky. And judging from when that conversion was done, I reckon it would have been r134a, too. So theoretically with r600a it could have been a little bit better.

    Why not look at some slightly later Froggy cars that might have good air but still be cheap to buy - Renault 19? Peugeot 505? 405?

    I vaguely remember you saying you hate Magnas, but have another look. My previous car was a 92 TR Magna 4 cylinder Wagon manual on LPG. It was a fabulous car! But Automatic 4-cyl Magnas are completely gutless, the manual trans makes the car. The ride and handling was lovely, in fact the ride of my 2007 Pug 307 is nowhere near as good as the old Magna. (But the handling is sharper.) The Magna seats were very comfortable too, the earlier ones (TM to TP series) had dreadful seats. The Magna was very quiet, too, and the aircon was great. Also parts, even genuine ones, were cheap as chips.
    I bought that Magna with 140,000 km, intending to keep it for about another 100,000 km. I liked it so much I kept it to about 320,00 km. A friend bought it, with a new second hand motor it is still a good car with about 400,000 km and has plenty of life left.

    Apologies to the Froggy police for daring to suggest that an non-Frog could be a good car...

    good luck with your quest what ever you decide.

    Just for the exercise - could you do a post without the use of any emoticons or any superfluous capital letters? Just one? Just for me? It would be so much easier to read...
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    Default Refrigeration Gases

    1. Read the MSDS on Propane, Butane and Tetraflouroethane and calculate the risks of using each.

    2. I wouldn't own an LPG vehicle either.

    3. Verbosity is king in certain circles, particularly where simple emoticons combined with capital letters can be shown to inhibit the reading of posts.

    4. I don't know why this link is here but it might give you an insight into why Hychill might not be a good idea in all instances.

    http://tamahereforum.files.wordpress...ia-release.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    1. Read the MSDS on Propane, Butane and Tetraflouroethane and calculate the risks of using each.

    2. I wouldn't own an LPG vehicle either.

    3. Verbosity is king in certain circles, particularly where simple emoticons combined with capital letters can be shown to inhibit the reading of posts.

    4. I don't know why this link is here but it might give you an insight into why Hychill might not be a good idea in all instances.

    http://tamahereforum.files.wordpress...ia-release.pdf
    Set any air-con system on fire and see what happens..... It's got oil under pressure you know ..... Obviously if you burn the stuff it's going to burn just as nicely as BBQ gas does

    Were they releasing it into a cellar or something without recovering it?? gas is heavier than air after all. You need to be as careful with it as your are with your bbq gas bottle.

    If the fire was anything to do with hychill, the patent holders for R134a would have ensured the accident above was world wide news and tried to get the stuff banned everywhere.

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    For what its worth, I had my 505's aircon converted to R134a around 1998 I think, and it worked great - very cold. Not sure about R12 glass, but the pugs glass was factory tinted which made a big difference in the heat. For purely practical reasons I'd second what others have said and look into a more modern froggy.
    I also had after market aircon in my 504Ti, that was very good until the compressor broke. The door seals were shot in it though, so cold air would get sucked straight out around the door rim as you were hurtling around.
    I guess the bottom line is, if you're relishing the challenge of fitting aircon, then go for it. If you want to be a bit more practical, take a look at a car that already has aircon fitted.. you probably couldn't go wrong with a good 504 or 505.
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    Default HyChill out...? ...... "Chilled to the Marrow!"

    Many thanks for all the interesting information, most of which I could not understand when it got too

    technical but to UFO & those others who have actually USED Hychill in their older French cars, I get

    your messages loud & clear, as most Frogmobiles of the 1970s were designed for keeping occupants

    WARM rather than FREEZING COLD, as the lack of air-con-vents show.


    (to Simca1100: I seemed to understand much of what you said & thanks for the sensible info-I'm technically-idiotic along with being Totally-Idiotic)


    That was why after converting one of my R20s to r134a gas, it was quite useless & PATHETIC & the

    side vents seemed not joined to the Air-Con system in this country in all my R20 cars.

    I got R20s in the 1st place because they DID come with an air-cond-system but like

    the CX, it is not very good and it was very disappointing after such time and money was spent.


    Of course I am aware that LPG, r12a, etc , are illegal & have NO intention OR the ability to put

    anything in my Renault other than fuel, coolant, oils & my wife!


    I had planned to use an extensive venting-system combined with an 'under-dash-type-unit', (still

    available to buy new) & of course spend a fair amount of money on doing so but it seems that until

    other QLDers with R12s who have the desire & skills to 'Hychill' their R12s do so, I shall simply keep

    my 1995 Ford Fairmont for it's sufficient air-conditioning as at least it does work well.




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    To those who have assisted me in my quest for info on HYCHILL, I thank you & I do not expect any

    miracles but if I could someday get an R12 to have an 'air-conditioning-set-up' that worked as well as

    they did when they used to have the old illegal 'r12a' gas, I'd be very satisfied.


    However, I shall continue to simply drive my 15 year old Ford Fairmont with it's 'r134a' air-con gas on

    very hot QLD summer trips with my wife, as I've no intention of ever using ANY other type of gas,

    would not know how to and hopefully someday a QLD R12 driver will install HYCHILL in a 'modified air-

    con-set-up' and until then my Ford's 'r134a' gas will keep my wife cool, as the 'r12a' gas has all run

    out (except for it's use in our gov't's tranportation systems!).:


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    ok, hychill is for sale aust wide, in 330 gm didposables and bulk tanks, its legal to buy aust wide in small cans to all and in bulk to licensed techs, its legal to gas a car with hychill in all states except q,
    at the moment a national law is in progress to which q is a member, so id say the state of q will follow and q will allow cars to have hychill, but id say that they would demand a licensed operator to install it
    so there you go lifes a bitch and then you die,, if you go on youtube and look up installing hychill there are some coolvids showing how to gas up a car, and it does seem more efficient than r34a but you have to get it all in, it seems warming the gas a tad helps the install, thats with warm water not a lighter, i dont see why an r12 couldnt be air con as it has enough power its the pump efficiency thats critical, those little modern pumps could fit an r12 and do well. i say go the mark, fit the air, i have a clio
    heater evaporator box that goes under bonnet and has ite own fan etc, something like that would work ina 12, throw on a modern pump few bits and pieces and your cool man.
    and,,,, in no way am i implying, stating or hinting that i use hychill, in beloved q, cause thats illegal, cept im a mexican so do q laws really apply, regards fish,tired now need coffee.

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    heahea wellsed fish . nou i ned anufo cop uv cofi arfta reedin yoor intreisten postan ilik wat used mat!

    I wonot rit animor poastas wiv kapitel litirs no morus idun wann or ned nu mor shet in mi lyf..haha andnomor emototiycmns-thngaz im nou vurri worid tat kimlick hats me n mit kill mee lik in tet 1960 ol roy obisn sang an.... he sangd= im runin scard ...he sed we har heea forr a god timm nut a lung tim so he must b vurri angri ut me an gong tu cutt of my acselarata on mi renuol12an my calndr- is thet sum kin uf vrets bi kiimluc?
    but i func yur rit abot hychlil an munifnkz fo yor pozetv ripli fish an u ar totoili cul men,
    regads mrak





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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkButler View Post
    heahea wellsed fish . nou i ned anufo cop uv cofi arfta reedin yoor intreisten postan ilik wat used mat!

    I wonot rit animor poastas wiv kapitel litirs no morus idun wann or ned nu mor shet in mi lyf..haha andnomor emototiycmns-thngaz im nou vurri worid tat kimlick hats me n mit kill mee lik in tet 1960 ol roy obisn sang an.... he sangd= im runin scard ...he sed we har heea forr a god timm nut a lung tim so he must b vurri angri ut me an gong tu cutt of my acselarata on mi renuol12an my calndr- is thet sum kin uf vrets bi kiimluc?
    but i func yur rit abot hychlil an munifnkz fo yor pozetv ripli fish an u ar totoili cul men,
    regads mrak





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    It may seem amusing to you to use lots of emoticons and mixed case.

    In the long run it makes it more difficult for other AFers to figure out you what you are trying to communicate.

    If you are genuinely asking for advice, you may be better to make your posts comprehensible.

    If, however your are here "to speak in tongues" and use sign language the assistance you can expect to receive may be very limited.

    I'm guessing there are quite a few AFers already who don't bother to read your posts based on past history.

    As with everything on AF it's entirely your call!
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    It may seem amusing to you to use lots of emoticons and mixed case.

    In the long run it makes it more difficult for other AFers to figure out you what you are trying to communicate.

    If you are genuinely asking for advice, you may be better to make your posts comprehensible.

    If, however your are here "to speak in tongues" and use sign language the assistance you can expect to receive may be very limited.

    I'm guessing there are quite a few AFers already who don't bother to read your posts based on past history.

    As with everything on AF it's entirely your call!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkButler View Post
    heahea wellsed fish . nou i ned anufo cop uv cofi arfta reedin yoor intreisten postan ilik wat used mat!

    I wonot rit animor poastas wiv kapitel litirs no morus idun wann or ned nu mor shet in mi lyf..haha andnomor emototiycmns-thngaz im nou vurri worid tat kimlick hats me n mit kill mee lik in tet 1960 ol roy obisn sang an.... he sangd= im runin scard ...he sed we har heea forr a god timm nut a lung tim so he must b vurri angri ut me an gong tu cutt of my acselarata on mi renuol12an my calndr- is thet sum kin uf vrets bi kiimluc?
    but i func yur rit abot hychlil an munifnkz fo yor pozetv ripli fish an u ar totoili cul men,
    regads mrak





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    Looks like heat stroke due to no A/C

    Mark, are you a 7th day adventist? Speaking in tongues?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkButler View Post
    heahea wellsed fish . nou i ned anufo cop uv cofi arfta reedin yoor intreisten postan ilik wat used mat!

    I wonot rit animor poastas wiv kapitel litirs no morus idun wann or ned nu mor shet in mi lyf..haha andnomor emototiycmns-thngaz im nou vurri worid tat kimlick hats me n mit kill mee lik in tet 1960 ol roy obisn sang an.... he sangd= im runin scard ...he sed we har heea forr a god timm nut a lung tim so he must b vurri angri ut me an gong tu cutt of my acselarata on mi renuol12an my calndr- is thet sum kin uf vrets bi kiimluc?
    but i func yur rit abot hychlil an munifnkz fo yor pozetv ripli fish an u ar totoili cul men,
    regads mrak





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