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    Hi All

    For all the R12 lovers here like myself, came across this today, worth a look

    http://www.retro-meca.com/restaurati...r/12sinpar.htm

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    What a great website!! I didn't even realise what a "sinpar" was. BTW: Google chrome translated it automatically really well.

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    [QUOTE= BTW: Google chrome translated it automatically really well.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the translation tip Shane
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    My original link is not working on this thread so I have decided to update it with the two links below

    Restauration Renault 12 SINPAR par Rétro-Méca

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    That is what every 12 wagon needs. Where can I get one of those ?
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    Col,
    That is AWESOME, I saw a very clean white one in Namibia many years ago, and it planted a seed. I know I would like to build one, it is just the time. I saw a Avo-Green one at Lemans in 2007, rather tatty, but it was built from a R18 4x4 and it had been plenty off road places according to the owner.

    They just keep themselves in the back of my mind !!!!

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    I would love to build one as well Ray, but finding the parts would be the biggest challenge as there was not that many built.
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    I've had the plan stashed away in my head to one day make an all wheel drive R12 wagon. Subaru box, diff, suspension etc, Renault F4RT engine. One day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c.lees View Post
    I've had the plan stashed away in my head to one day make an all wheel drive R12 wagon. Subaru box, diff, suspension etc, Renault F4RT engine. One day.
    You mean something similar to this project.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hCPODjJO7s
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    I always had the thought that I would like to graft another R12 station wagon back onto a station wagon and make it into a 6 wheeler. I always liked the look of the 6 wheel German 2WW staff cars.

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    Nah, you guys overcomplicate things. I was thinking along the lines of R18 4x4 or if parts were not available a 504 rear axle and stuff.
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    That's a serious WOW. Thanks Col.

    You'd need deep pockets but you'd get a great result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    You mean something similar to this project. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hCPODjJO7s
    Like Issigonis' hydragas Mini prototype, this shows yet again how BMC/British Leyland completely failed to develop the Mini to its potential. Mind you, selling them at a loss.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    Nah, you guys overcomplicate things. I was thinking along the lines of R18 4x4 or if parts were not available a 504 rear axle and stuff.
    Here's what Renault did on the 1982 Paris-Dakar 4WD R20. Fairly simple at the rear end. Massive diff!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails R12 Sinpar 4x4 Resto-paris-dakar-r20-4wd.jpg   R12 Sinpar 4x4 Resto-paris-dakar-r20-4wd-rear-axle.jpg  
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Like Issigonis' hydragas Mini prototype, this shows yet again how BMC/British Leyland completely failed to develop the Mini to its potential. Mind you, selling them at a loss.....
    I watched all the videos in the series, and its amazing the talent of this guy, with a bit of pommy humour thrown in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Like Issigonis' hydragas Mini prototype, this shows yet again how BMC/British Leyland completely failed to develop the Mini to its potential. Mind you, selling them at a loss.....
    I think you may have missed the point. 5,387,862 points, actually. That was only the total made between 1962 and 2000. I was at the 1960 Motorshow at Earls court and saw them on their introduction. Don't know what happened between 1960 and 1962 but you know what Wikepedia is like, so I reckon they are now 54 years old and are an design/engineering/production feat that has never been repeated. The original Moulton Rubber suspension was brilliant, the car was so small and light that the hydrogas suspension would have been an unnecessary and costly addition. All our rally car needed was twin front shocks each side and a suspension lift with spacers. The mounting points etc for the twin shocks were built into the basic design.
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    I think you may have missed the point. 5,387,862 points, actually. That was only the total made between 1962 and 2000. I was at the 1960 Motorshow at Earls court and saw them on their introduction. Don't know what happened between 1960 and 1962 but you know what Wikepedia is like, so I reckon they are now 54 years old and are an design/engineering/production feat that has never been repeated. The original Moulton Rubber suspension was brilliant, the car was so small and light that the hydrogas suspension would have been an unnecessary and costly addition. All our rally car needed was twin front shocks each side and a suspension lift with spacers. The mounting points etc for the twin shocks were built into the basic design.
    I do take that point, well all of them. Truly brilliant design, and my grandmother had one in 1959. I remember how exciting a Cooper 'S' was in its day. But it was cars like the R5 and some Japanese cars that really took the "mini" concept into the next generation of advancement. But I've also read reports of how good the hydragas mini was. I've accidentally corrupted this thread. Apologies Col!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I've accidentally corrupted this thread. Apologies Col!
    Me too, therefore my apologies as well.....
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I've accidentally corrupted this thread. Apologies Col!
    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Me too, therefore my apologies as well.....
    That's ok fellas, I think one of my posts above is also off topic
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    I know the R20 Dakar, don't know if it was Sinpar who did it or the factory? I know there was a R18 V6 and so on. Didn't know the 12 actually won off road as well (1977).
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    Some of those tailshaft bushes and couplings look the same as Dacia.

    I know of a Sinpar diff that could be a available.
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    I remember of one account on the R17 site about a 17G (or maybe a TS, either way a 5 speed 'box car) which had been converted to 4WD by replacing the 5th with a dog clutch, pretty much like Sinpar 'box. Would that be the car, Dave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    I remember of one account on the R17 site about a 17G (or maybe a TS, either way a 5 speed 'box car) which had been converted to 4WD by replacing the 5th with a dog clutch, pretty much like Sinpar 'box. Would that be the car, Dave?
    Don't know. That 17 was in ACT. This diff came from a 12 but in the same area.
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    I wont add too much more off topic stuff, but I'm sure you know the Metro and other models had hydragas John? Although not quite having the charm of the Mini.



    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I do take that point, well all of them. Truly brilliant design, and my grandmother had one in 1959. I remember how exciting a Cooper 'S' was in its day. But it was cars like the R5 and some Japanese cars that really took the "mini" concept into the next generation of advancement. But I've also read reports of how good the hydragas mini was. I've accidentally corrupted this thread. Apologies Col!


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