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    Default What's the 3rd best-selling car?

    There's a great little article by Tony Davis in the SMH DriveLife Section today on the Renault 4 which, apparently, is the 3rd best selling car ever behind the Beetle and Model T.

    Over 8 million were sold between 1947 and 1992.

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    I thought the Corolla held first place with sales in excess of 30 million?



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    Couldnt find the article on the web.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catshamlet View Post
    I thought the Corolla held first place with sales in excess of 30 million?



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    But the Corolla isn't essentially the same car. The name plate, sure, but each model is substantially different than the last, although they all share the same Toyota traits: reliability, boredom, vanilla image, tedious drivers, bad drivers, centurion drivers...

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    http://drivelife.realviewtechnologie...xml=Drive_Life

    I found it a pretty offensive article, actually. The attempted humour was misplaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68 404 View Post
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    I found it a pretty offensive article, actually. The attempted humour was misplaced.

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    Yes I thought the same thing although I'd like a Renault Bye Bye.
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    what a dickhead. I hate the way people bag thingd they have had nothing to do with just because its not a holden, ford or toyota.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catshamlet View Post
    I thought the Corolla held first place with sales in excess of 30 million?



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    What a con that is. Several RWD models, then several FWD models and keep the name the same.
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    An offensive badly written article. All 4CV owners should be particularly annoyed. I reckon he might have hit the turps before writing as it was short on 'professionalism'!
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    Yes I read that article just now and it was just nasty and full of bile basically. If he didnt have a good thing to say about a period car why bother writing about it. Totally pathetic and unprofessional.

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    I used to enjoy and respect the writing of his father (Pedr).

    But not of Davis Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68 404 View Post
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    I found it a pretty offensive article, actually. The attempted humour was misplaced.

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    Well, much of his detail is wrong and he doesn't really know what he is talking about.

    Now to go to drive.com.au.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by nota View Post
    I used to enjoy and respect the writing of his father (Pedr).

    But not of Davis Jr.
    Pedr was excellent. He actually knew what he was talking about too. Enough said.
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    Attempts at humour are best left to comedians, not "motoring journalists".
    Was the "Parisienne" ever sold in Australia?
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    I am surprised some of our readers did not like the humour in the article.

    The way I look at it is that any publicity for the marque in a humourous article is good publicity. One gets bored with factual articles all the time so a bit of levity is good. I didn't read it as slagging off the dear old 4CV either.

    You could be driving a Camry as "'er indoors" has done for the last 17 years which ain't funny at all (but totally reliable and $130 fixed price servicing).

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    The article may have been saved by different penultimate and final sentences.

    'So now you know. Just tell me you care'.

    How dismissive of a simple little car that saw so many rivals come and go, yet was successful due to that bare bones engineering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastair Browne View Post
    I am surprised some of our readers did not like the humour in the article.

    The way I look at it is that any publicity for the marque in a humourous article is good publicity. One gets bored with factual articles all the time so a bit of levity is good. I didn't read it as slagging off the dear old 4CV either.

    You could be driving a Camry as "'er indoors" has done for the last 17 years which ain't funny at all (but totally reliable and $130 fixed price servicing).

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    These things do generate some passion, which is good and what this forum is all about.

    No problem with humour of course but, like others, I guess I found his "humour" to be patronising and dismissive, and his article showed surprising ignorance in some details.

    I've left feedback to his article on the site where it was published, FWIW.

    And I agree with you that, at one level, any publicity is good publicity for the marque.

    Regarding accuracy though, R4s were not made in Australia for many years, but only for a few years until, as I recall, demand for the R10 resulted in a decision to stop assembling R4s in Heidelberg because of the plant capacity. Where does he get the idea that they were popular with "a new wave of European migrants"? Small Renaults had been popular across a range of people in Australia I'd have thought, and I doubt there are statistics to support that assertion. Certainly some of the people whom I know and who owned Renault 4CVs (actually sold as the "750" in Australia) in the 1950s who were by no means "European migrants".

    When we had an R4 we laughed at it quite a lot, but in a nice way. The best, and really funny article about the R4 was written, I reckon, by the one and only Romsey Quints in Wheels magazine in the early- to mid-1960s. I must find a copy.

    The Renault R4 was really one of the great practical cars of its time. I'd quite like one now. That's enough from me on this subject too!

    Sorry if we've "shot the messenger" a bit - I'm sure none of us mean to do that and please keep contributing.

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    Perhaps this review will calm nerves and cease the mouth foaming & axe wielding. (just ignore some the comments below)


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    Ha! Surely it can't be hard to get the facts correct?

    4CV a Beetle copy - how? 4-cylinder engine in the back and...?

    Golf the first modern FWD hatch - why? Beaten by Renault, Fiat, Autobianchi to name a few.

    Parisienne in Australia - when? The didn't even create the model until 20 years after the R4 left the Australian market!

    Of course, Holden's history is far more engaging than Renault and it's innovations, island factory, imprisoned founder, wartime developments, nationalisation, rally history, etc, etc, etc. But that's all opinion, as is the reference to 'many years' of assembly (well, 4 is many, if you're 4 years old, or have the mental capacity thereof), and the 'just tell me you care' jibe. I'm sure Tony will be more fascinated by the next Korean Holden...dumbarse.

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    Yes the article is just disgusting and I have sent an email to the herald of that nature.

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    Hi John W

    No offence taken whatsoever. We are so lucky to live where we do in that we can say and mostly do what we like. There's nothing like a good discussion and I didn't feel shot or flamed.

    I can remember being flamed on on a Lotus Elise website some years ago and was happy when I sold mine. Some of the people on there were quite up themselves. On this website people are far more polite and helpful ("toujours la politesse")

    I too wrote to the Editor of DriveLife and said that many of us in the Renault fraternity actually do care, even for the dear old R4.

    "Vivre la difference"

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    man you guys are hypersensitive about french cars!
    like, how can one be "offensive" when writing about a frigging car???
    unless you are insulting the people who drive them, but that doesnt seem to be the case in this article.,

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    "Parisienne in Australia - when? The didn't even create the model until 20 years after the R4 left the Australian market!" (Sorry, can't work out this "quote" business).


    Sorry old boy, beg to differ.
    But I am sure Australia never saw a Parisienne.

    It's not about being "hypersensitive', it's about getting your research and facts right.
    We understand that humour helps sell the article, and most people who read this article have never seen an R4, however Mr. Davis must realise that if he is going to write a humorous, tongue in cheek column about ANY marque, he will be criticised by people who are passionate about their cars and who know more about their cars than he does.
    A little research on Google would have produced more accurate facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Rundle View Post
    "Parisienne in Australia - when? The didn't even create the model until 20 years after the R4 left the Australian market!" (Sorry, can't work out this "quote" business).

    Sorry old boy, beg to differ.
    But I am sure Australia never saw a Parisienne.
    Luckily I'm not being paid to be a motoring expert!

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    Ron Rundle's thumbnail pictures of R4 advertisements certainly demonstrate what the French do best, advertising cars with beautiful ladies immaculately dressed. Australia's version is a bikini clad (would be) starlet draped over an E49 Valiant Charger at Aldinga Beach, gracing the cover of Motor Manual. Boy would they go.... the E49's I mean.

    Just imagine if Renault produced R4's like those today, black with different paint jobs on the flanks. The girls would snap them up pronto as another accessory to match the black Louis Vuitton handbags. As a matter of fact I wouldn't mind one in the garage myself.
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