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    Default Laguna v6, Towing capabilities / fuel consumption.

    Hi guys, just wondering for those who own a Laguna V6 how they tow?

    I'd want to tow a car trailer from time to time to move my (little) renaults around.

    Also, what is consumption like, and comparison between the manual and auto. (would prefer a manual)

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    You'll be lucky to find a phase one manual V6, none were imported officially. I'm assuming you are talking about a phase one...

    Dad has towed a glider trailer with his, and also a large box trailer. We found that with the box trailer, the wind resistance was significant and with cruise control occasionally it would hunt between gears - was easier to leave it in 3rd. The car is quiet enough for this not to be an intrusion.

    Can't remember economy with the trailer. I have travelled twice from Melbourne to Adelaide on one tank of fuel (in perfect weather), you can get slightly less that 8.0l/100km on the open road with cruise control (sticking to speed limits)
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    You saw how big a trailer I sometimes strapped onto my Lag 1, and I wasnt afraid to load it up.

    The car was perfectly composed, although I wasnt winning any races!!

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    I wouldn't tow anything big .... I bet if you check it's only allowed to tow tiny, tiny weights. eg: 75kg on the towball and 1000kgs all up. Your towball weight will be the issue most likely.

    I have no doubt the V6 manual would pull it fine. I'd expect closer to 18->20L/100kms though

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    I wouldn't tow anything big .... I bet if you check it's only allowed to tow tiny, tiny weights. eg: 75kg on the towball and 1000kgs all up. Your towball weight will be the issue most likely.

    I have no doubt the V6 manual would pull it fine. I'd expect closer to 18->20L/100kms though

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    What is it with modern cars these days, giving such a useless hitch weight that you'd be lucky to tow a dog trailer around.

    Thanks guys, I have no idea what the max towball weight on the Lag is.

    Maybe I can put a Hillman Reece on it?? No idea.

    Not many other options left in the Renault world unfortunately, the Renault vans are out of my price range, and a little impractical for a 2+2 family anyway.

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    Hi All

    I have a Laguna V6 Series 1. According to the owners manual it can tow 690Kg unbraked and 1200Kg braked.

    I have towed a tamdem hire trailer with my A110 on it and also with R16 without to many issues, so i'm guessing i'm getting close to the maximum allowed towing weight.

    I get according to the indash readout 11 to 12 L/100Km for fuel consumption when towing.

    I usually take it easy up hills cause we all know that the autos in these car are a little week. I have found from past experience that it is easy to over heat the transmission fluid
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid View Post
    What is it with modern cars these days, giving such a useless hitch weight that you'd be lucky to tow a dog trailer around.

    Thanks guys, I have no idea what the max towball weight on the Lag is.

    Maybe I can put a Hillman Reece on it?? No idea.

    Not many other options left in the Renault world unfortunately, the Renault vans are out of my price range, and a little impractical for a 2+2 family anyway.

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    You are asking too much of the car.
    Renaults are smallish cars, and cars that tow trailers with other cars on them need to be big.
    Like a commodore v6 minimum, idealy something bigger, like a small truck or big 4x4.
    When was the last tow truck you saw that was a v6 auto.

    When you tow and encounter a hill, you send the temps way out of the range of regular driving, and if its an auto thats already a bit stressed with age, you risk cooking the gearbox oil and promoting early failure.
    It is not unusual for me to have the fuego in third gear up a hill at full throtle for maybe 30 seconds, and the temp gauge does a little hickup before the thermo fans kick in. You would never go full throtle in 3rg gear for 30 seconds in a fuego if you were not towing.
    When I get to the top of the hill, there is a bundle of new smells you never normal get unless racing, mainly from the clutch and anything in close proximity to the red hot exhaust.


    My local tow company charge $70 for local cashies.
    Put into perspective, thats less than it costs me to hire a trailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi All

    I have a Laguna V6 Series 1. According to the owners manual it can tow 690Kg unbraked and 1200Kg braked.

    I have towed a tamdem hire trailer with my A110 on it and also with R16 without to many issues, so i'm guessing i'm getting close to the maximum allowed towing weight.

    I get according to the indash readout 11 to 12 L/100Km for fuel consumption when towing.

    I usually take it easy up hills cause we all know that the autos in these car are a little week. I have found from past experience that it is easy to over heat the transmission fluid
    Week or month? I'd be very careful with the transmission, that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Week or month? I'd be very careful with the transmission, that's for sure.
    Hi JohnW

    You picked up on my typo should be weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi All

    I have a Laguna V6 Series 1. According to the owners manual it can tow 690Kg unbraked and 1200Kg braked.

    I have towed a tamdem hire trailer with my A110 on it and also with R16 without to many issues, so i'm guessing i'm getting close to the maximum allowed towing weight.

    I get according to the indash readout 11 to 12 L/100Km for fuel consumption when towing.

    I usually take it easy up hills cause we all know that the autos in these car are a little week. I have found from past experience that it is easy to over heat the transmission fluid


    Your being funny right ??? A lot of rental trailer are close to 1200kgs ....................... EMPTY

    I'm happy to tow locally with my passenger sedan (ie: speeds < 60km/h), but would simply borrow a w@nk tank if I needed to tow any distance My father has a twin cab turbo diesel ute with 3ton tow capacity that would be upto this task ............

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    I've towed a car trailer with R8 from Syd to Adelaide rtn & Syd to Bris return with my Series II v6 auto - no major probs but my car trailer is light. all the comments made are relevant. It manages but it certainly not ideal. I wouldn't want to drag a hire place dual axle around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    My father has a twin cab turbo diesel ute with 3ton tow capacity that would be upto this task ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post


    Your being funny right ??? A lot of rental trailer are close to 1200kgs ....................... EMPTY

    I'm happy to tow locally with my passenger sedan (ie: speeds < 60km/h), but would simply borrow a w@nk tank if I needed to tow any distance My father has a twin cab turbo diesel ute with 3ton tow capacity that would be upto this task ............

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    Hi Shane

    The hire tndem trailers are around 400Kg here, I have towed them behind my R12 before I got the Laguna.

    I've towed the Alpine upto distances of 250Km without issues, I think its all to do with how you drive. the car tows without any problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi JohnW

    You picked up on my typo should be weak.
    Sorry, couldn't help myself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi All

    I have a Laguna V6 Series 1. According to the owners manual it can tow 690Kg unbraked and 1200Kg braked.

    I have towed a tamdem hire trailer with my A110 on it and also with R16 without to many issues, so i'm guessing i'm getting close to the maximum allowed towing weight.

    I get according to the indash readout 11 to 12 L/100Km for fuel consumption when towing.

    I usually take it easy up hills cause we all know that the autos in these car are a little week. I have found from past experience that it is easy to over heat the transmission fluid
    Well, there is my answer I guess.. but I'm not dismayed, the Laguna is a great car, and yes I'm only looking at the PH1 unless a steal of a car comes along.

    I know what you mean about transmissions, because I've cooked my R25s transmission towing one of those beasy car trailers. I've noticed you can get some slightly lighter hire trailers now, but I'd say 1200kg trailer alone easy.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but at a glance the figures, 690kg unbraked is more a limit on how much STOP the Lag has, and 1200kg being limits on the drivetrain?

    I'm also wondering if this is one of these piddly euro style tow bars I've seen on other renaults, can they not be replaced with bigger bars with more hitch weight available?

    I guess the short answer is, yes it will tow but is limited to speed and distance you'd like to do it, and with a lightweight trailer rather than one weighing more than a tonne. I towed a R16 on a 1200kg trailer with a Fuego once (slowly), and from Croydon to Watsonia.. it made it..just, but I couldn't get the trailer up the drive it was so heavy. I wouldn't do that again, that is for sure, I'm not sure how much clutch was lost that night, but it kept driving for another few years with little trouble. I still have the gearbox.

    I think the Lag will suit us being that I don't tow over long distances, and generally are things smaller than a 16. Your also very right Jo, for cars Fuego size and bigger, I'd be reluctant, and I need to find myself a light-weight car trailer, specifically for the R8 / R10 size Renaults.

    Am I stupid to even contemplate towing with a manual Lag? I would prefer the manual.

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    I'm pretty sure to get a 400kg car trailer it would be all alluminium, very expensive and small. My trailer without the floor in it, the spare removed, the ramps removed weighed in at 560kgs. Ramps are 80kg, partial floor is about 100kgs .... It's an open frame trailer too.

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    Default O.K. for towing.

    Mine is a series 2 V6 and it is fitted with a renault supplied and approved Hayman Reese towbar. To tow my mothers little Toyota700 back last year from Bendigo, I had to hire a very heavy tandem trailer of huge proportions (the only one I could hire at the time. Had no problems at all with towing even though the trailer was pulling slightly to one side. (more noticeable unloaded!!)

    Took it easy driving there and back, with absolutely no problems and I can't say I really saw much difference in fuel usage, on really steep hills you can use the manual shift change rather than leave it in auto, and this helps control the rev ranges - easy peasy.

    I think if I was towing a horse float, it would be wise insurance to fit an external transmission cooler

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    My trailer without the floor in it, the spare removed, the ramps removed weighed in at 560kgs.
    Before or after you get the car on? Prey you don't get a flat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    I think if I was towing a horse float, it would be wise insurance to fit an external transmission cooler

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    I might just have to save up a bit longer and get a Laguna 2.
    Will just mean stuffing the family into the 'clown car' aka R5 for a few months.

    I wish I had realised in the 25 that it's transmission cooler (Heat Exchanger) was mixing water into the transmission at the time, which probably didn't help. The first indication something was wrong, was that it was running a little hot, which wasn't alarming being a 35+ day.

    What didn't help even more (unlaiden trailer) was the drive home without a cooler.. those nutty 'racing smells' of burned oils and superheated rubber etc.. ouch. It leaks from a hose connector now, when in reverse which was the final straw for me.

    Adding a cooler to the Lag sounds like a great idea, even if only used whilst towing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    Mine is a series 2 V6 and it is fitted with a renault supplied and approved Hayman Reese towbar. To tow my mothers little Toyota700 back last year from Bendigo, I had to hire a very heavy tandem trailer of huge proportions (the only one I could hire at the time. Had no problems at all with towing even though the trailer was pulling slightly to one side. (more noticeable unloaded!!)

    Took it easy driving there and back, with absolutely no problems and I can't say I really saw much difference in fuel usage, on really steep hills you can use the manual shift change rather than leave it in auto, and this helps control the rev ranges - easy peasy.

    I think if I was towing a horse float, it would be wise insurance to fit an external transmission cooler

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    I dont understand how a car can tow a very heavy load and not use more fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    Their you go Vivid, take shane up on his very generous offer.

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    I don't so much have a tow in mind, but I do need a car that 'can' tow when / if required.

    If I have a light enough trailer, a Dauphine doesn't weigh much at all (for example).
    By the sounds of it an R16 shouldn't be impossible, or stupid, per say either, given short distances.

    I think the reality is, that if I need to move something like a car a long distance, I'd opt for a tow truck.

    So the crux is, I have to think carefully if it is worth owning a v6 anyway, as it will be the family car the majority of the time. That being the case, I'd also prefer (phase1) manual, unless I decide to spend more on a later phase2.

    SWMBO may decide I can't have it and she wants her scenic, which I'd be scared to tow a pram with.

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    Icon6 So true, But!! sacrifices have to be made!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    I dont understand how a car can tow a very heavy load and not use more fuel.

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    Jo you know of course that I don't care much about using fuel!! Its secondary to getting the job done!! A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do!!

    But I can say with "authority", that when I was towing the Melbourne High fully loaded football trailer behind the Fuego, I could see the petrol gauge showing a timed response as it sunk from full to nada!!

    So there you have it, Ken's ultimate fuel philosophy!!

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    The tare weight of my trailer is 280kg, an R8 or r10 around 780kg. The current trailer tare might be a bit more as I've added a bigger wind-deflector. I haven't checked, but I think the braked capacity of a series II estate is 1200kg.

    The first two are the Adelaide Trip; then picking up an R8 from Canberra; and finally the Brisbane trip.
    It proves it can do it, but it is not the ideal towing vehicle - my lightweight trailer certainly helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    The tare weight of my trailer is 280kg, an R8 or r10 around 780kg. The current trailer tare might be a bit more as I've added a bigger wind-deflector. I haven't checked, but I think the braked capacity of a series II estate is 1200kg.

    The first two are the Adelaide Trip; then picking up an R8 from Canberra; and finally the Brisbane trip.
    It proves it can do it, but it is not the ideal towing vehicle - my lightweight trailer certainly helps.
    Now THAT is an excellent setup if you have a tiny car to tow ... You just need a car with decent hydraulic suspension so your not dragging the towcars @rse along the road I'd suggest a C6 HDi turbo diesel (sadly they are european so can barely tow a matchbox toy legally). Maybe even an XM 24valve V6 5spd .... Don't worry the choices get much better as the cars get older.... A nice old CX GTi Turbo or DS23ie 5spd would be good too

    At a similar 400kgs a gyspy type trailer might also work.

    I've been going around and around in circles with this problem too. There simply isn't a European car with the tow capacity we need. I've even considered getting an old V8 LandRover on club rego....

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    It took a bit of experimentation as to where on the trailer to put it to balance the towball weight. I now have marks on the trailer indicating the preferred position. I also have to back the car on otherwise there is too much weight at the rear and the tilt mechanism won't work.

    I also had to buy a high-rise gooseneck for the towbar but otherwise it is a std Hayman Reece setup, otherwise it was dragging. You may be able to see the difference between the second side on Adelaide shot and the final brisbane one.

    I've never driven a Citroen but was discussing this with Addo recently when he turned up in his Xantia wagon.

    Be aware that Gypsy trailers require the car being towed to be registered - I've had this discussion on another forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid View Post
    Before or after you get the car on? Prey you don't get a flat

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    That's why you need to be careful of the "tare" weight printed on stuff. They usually weigh the bare chassis. Eg: caravans without gas bottles, empty water tanks, no spare wheels ..... and anything that can be removed. Car trailers "tare" will also be weighed without ramps, spares and anything else that can come off. Just by sliding out the ramps on mine, I'll reduce the weight by 80kgs.

    I've be very surprised if you could find any rental trailer that weighs less than 1ton..... they would simply to be to "lightly built" for the task of lending out and would get bent/broken/destroyed quickly as a rental.

    For get a trailer that'll fit anything a DS or CX on them though I need something hugely long, so bigger means a lot heavier A DS has a 124" wheelbase, that's longer than a Chev Impala .... I thought I did well to get a trailer that weighs about 750kg with ramps/spare/winch/everything onboard.

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