How does one balance a 3 lug Renault wheel ?
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    Default How does one balance a 3 lug Renault wheel ?

    Hey Guys,
    How does one go about balancing an old style Renault 3 lug wheel without a center hole?
    Since there is no hole a static bubble balancer cant be used. Without a center hole a modern balancer can't be used since you can't center or clamp up the wheel vertically. How was it done back in the day? With a dynamic wheel spinner while it was on the car or were there adapter plates of some kind?
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    I think there are adapter plates.
    A couple of franchised Aussie tyre shops have them occasionally. I'm lucky that the one I use regularly has one buried in the workshop they dig out for me when needed.
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    Hi,
    They have an adaptor plate they fit on the machine with 3 studs and they are linked at the back with a gear assembly that operates almost like a drill chuck. As you increase the PCD the 3 studs remains dead center and they can balance ant 3 stud wheel. It is fitted to the machine with nuts and not a quick release as normal.
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    Another option is to have them "on car" balanced. Vehicle is raised so wheels are just above the ground, a probe or sensor is positioned under car against the lower control arm as close to the wheel as possible, the machine has a horizontally positioned steel wheel that is pushed against the tyre & spins up the tyre. It then tells you where to put the weights. It's been so many years since I've seen one though, may be just as hard to find a tyre shop with one of those as one with the 3 stud adaptor. Mine were just balanced at a Bob Jane in Adelaide who have the adaptor. It improved the steering shimmy but didn't fix it. Maybe it's worse with dished widies.
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    My local tyre guy had an adaptor. He said they were common years ago. He has been in the business for many years.

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    Some who have the device don't want the trouble of fitting them to the balancer and sometimes the young bloke that has only been there for a year doesn't even know what you are talking about. So they say they can't balance them. One wheel alinement specialist I went to had the device hanging on the wall near the balancer and didn't know what it was.

    Old established places are best, my new tyre place doesn't have one but the boss knows what they are as they had one where he started out. It's a matter of asking until you find one.

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    Something I posted prior to the BC of 2010.
    3 or 4 stud 'blind' centre wheeled owners. Don't buy tyres from dealers who after fitting your new tyres and taking your money then tell you they can't balance them. Grrrr.

    If still experiencing trouble after balancing rotate wheel around to the next stud.
    Don't overtighten wheel nuts. Specified torque only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minipete View Post
    My local tyre guy had an adaptor. He said they were common years ago. He has been in the business for many years.

    Pete
    Pete or anyone else game (Renault8&10 etc),
    I'd like to buy one in the US but would need a photo to show around. Any chance of anyone getting a pic for me of your local unit?
    I guess I will try to scour "swap meets" looking for one. I'm sure I will have to look high and low to find one in Southern California as most shops have only more modern equipment with the long arbor spindles that require the large hole in the wheel.

    I'd even consider fabricating a device to use on a modern machine but a photo would surely be helpful

    J-Man ,
    I know the device but I've asked around and no one seems to have them anymore as these would have been regulated out of use by OSHA as dangerous to use, even the new tire balancers come with a big drop down plastic hood that covers the wheel and has a safety switch that must be engaged before it can be spun and calculated.

    Ohhh Bother
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    Hi,
    They have an adaptor plate they fit on the machine with 3 studs and they are linked at the back with a gear assembly that operates almost like a drill chuck. As you increase the PCD the 3 studs remains dead center and they can balance ant 3 stud wheel. It is fitted to the machine with nuts and not a quick release as normal.
    Regards
    Frans.
    Hi Frans
    I get it! , similar to an adjustable 3 blade hole saw only a lot bigger!
    Next year I will have to ask each Renault car owner at the local Best of Italy and France car show where they get theirs done. Too bad it wasn't an issue last month when the show occurred for this year.
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    Looks like you can still buy these on car wheel balancer machines new ...... If you live in Iran

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/...Balancer_.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpineross65 View Post
    Hey Guys,
    How does one go about balancing an old style Renault 3 lug wheel without a center hole?
    Since there is no hole a static bubble balancer cant be used. Without a center hole a modern balancer can't be used since you can't center or clamp up the wheel vertically. How was it done back in the day? With a dynamic wheel spinner while it was on the car or were there adapter plates of some kind?
    TIA
    Over the years I've found genuine 135-15 Michelins are pretty close to OK without any weights at all.

    Failing that, some wheel places in Oz still have the adaptors that allow them to balance French wheels.
    JohnW

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