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    Ah Good news! I can stop dreaming of it and move on now

    Also, another blue rally weapon. (I really want one now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 62Caravelle View Post
    Hi everyone. Just letting you know that I will be picking the Caravelle for sale near Geelong on Sunday. My daughter is buying it and we will work on it together to put it back on the road. So my 1962 Caravelle with have a younger, bigger sister, because my daughter has stated that the 68 Caravelle " She looks great and she will have a female name."
    I've been working interstate for the last month and fly home tomorrow for RR.
    So bugger, I was gunna call over the weekend and have a look at that.
    Well done, two white ones in the family now.
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    63-1092. The Geelong Caravelle is now in its new home but did you notice that there is a Floride for sale in Adelaide for $2,500.00 in the For Sale section of Aussiefrogs. You can add another one to your collection.

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    Hi everyone.Need a little help. Daughter has bought a 68 Caravelle and need a copy of the owners manual to give her some idea of how all the dash lights work and mean. Please let me know if you can help her. Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 62Caravelle View Post
    Hi everyone.Need a little help. Daughter has bought a 68 Caravelle and need a copy of the owners manual to give her some idea of how all the dash lights work and mean. Please let me know if you can help her. Thank you in advance.
    With documentation, it is best to ask by the Renault type number. As in Australia, especially the earlier cars, the actual build/model year and first registration year may be different. The type number is in the front boot on the oval plate – I’m guessing your daughter's car is likely an R1133.

    There are also a couple of Caravelles. The earlier type with the combination cluster and strip speedometer, then the later type with separate speedometer and tachometer, and a separate fuel gauge.
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    Hi everyone. It is an 1133 Caravelle with the late model dash with the tacho and separate fuel gauge. I have a 1962, 1131 Caravelle with the original owners handbook that has the information about the dash but because the 1133 has different gauges and warning lights, it would be good to have a copy of the hand book showing dash and what all the lights mean.
    Thank you.

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    Late Caravelle control layout.
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    Thanks Simon, that is very useful info for my project too and saves me a little research time. I was looking at my dashboard layout yesterday and those three switches beside the fuel gauge.
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    Simon. That information is perfect. Now I can start to work out the wiring to the lights and check. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 62Caravelle View Post
    63-1092. The Geelong Caravelle is now in its new home but did you notice that there is a Floride for sale in Adelaide for $2,500.00 in the For Sale section of Aussiefrogs. You can add another one to your collection.
    Oops I missed that one, anyone know anything about that cars condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    Oops I missed that one, anyone know anything about that cars condition.
    I went had a look yesterday while in Adelaide, anyway, Good luck to the seller at $2500.
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    Hello,I have not been on the forum for a while, but I have a 1133 Caravelle which I have had since the 1980s, and have it on historic plates. Mine was built oct65 and sold in paris to its first owner Jan1966. It was brought to australia in the1970s when she emigrated and was converted to RHD in about 1980. My car is an S version and has the flashier steering wheel and twin circular speedo/tacho . Why I mention this is that the dash lites or telltales are a bit confusing. The red central ignition light and the orange blinker light between the instruments are clear enough. But then there is a blue high beam lite and a green light, which I have always assumed was a coolant temperature light. That light flickers when the engine runs under 1000 revs but goes out after that, so I assumed is powered by the generator. Simons diagram of the dashboard shows the green light as oil pressure light. I have both engine senders ,oil and coolant. years ago I had the green light come on for a couple of minitues on a 40 c day.which I assumed was coolant temp. Are the 3 things inter related somehow ? . Also I really did not think there were many caravelles sold after about 1966 in australia. Thank you , I merely offer my thoughts. Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by pink panther View Post
    Are the 3 things inter related somehow ?

    That’s a good point. On earlier Renaults where there is no temperature gauge, the oil pressure and coolant temperature lights can be combined. So the Caravelle would be the same as the equivalent era R4/10/10 in having the combined oil pressure and coolant temp warning light run through the same wiring with the two senders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    That’s a good point. On earlier Renaults where there is no temperature gauge, the oil pressure and coolant temperature lights can be combined. So the Caravelle would be the same as the equivalent era R4/10/10 in having the combined oil pressure and coolant temp warning light run through the same wiring with the two senders.
    That's right Simon - common red warming lamp for oil pressure and temperature. Some of them kept the temperature light on until it warmed up too, if I recall? But green on the earlier cars like Caravelles and older is almost always the generator charge lamp, and they can flicker a bit as revs rise with an old generator and old regulator.
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    There are also differences between versions. "Home" spec (100) is green, export RHD spec (700/800) is red.
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    Hi. Thank you for your thoughts , My car has country code 30 which I believe relates to german/swizterland build , which would also confirm with the lady I bought it from going to uni in Vienna before she emigrated. In which simons comment about green light in home country sounds correct. The wires are so old it is hard to pick colors to trace and as we know the french change the color at each connector. It sounds as though the green light is activated by either sensor, earthing and also picking up power from the regulator,. my wiring is original from conversion, Silly thought but would the oil pressure light , if inadequate come on as the red ignition light? Much appreciate your comments . Regards paul

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    You can just ground the wire to the oil pressure sensor, to the cylinder head for example, and see which light comes on. That will answer the question. Similarly, there will be a wire to the water temperature sensor, probably bolted directly to the cylinder head, and if you ground (that is "earth") it, by touching it against the head, you can see which light comes on. I expect the same red light for both, but you can check easily and then tell us what happens. Both of those warning light switches complete a circuit that connects the positive wire that is fastened to the switch, to earth, that is to the engine, and the light comes on.
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    There's been a few Caravelles and Florides pop up for sale this year or even just lately.
    Vic rego FLORID is for sale on ebay at auction and ends in under an hour.
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    Thank you John W , I did as you said with sender wires. Both the temp and oil pressure leads when earthed caused the red ignition light between the gauges to come on brightly. Therefore the green light [bottom outside gauges] is a generator charge light only. We are never to old to learn. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pink panther View Post
    Thank you John W , I did as you said with sender wires. Both the temp and oil pressure leads when earthed caused the red ignition light between the gauges to come on brightly. Therefore the green light [bottom outside gauges] is a generator charge light only. We are never to old to learn. Thanks
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    Hi Everybody.

    First of all, I wish you a merry Xmas and a Happy New year.

    In France , during the annual general meeting we had a very strong discussion about Insurance.
    I have no expertise in foreign insurance for classic cars ( only some for french cars)

    Here is a Google translation of this discussion.

    DEBATE ON CAR INSURANCE
    Pierre THOMAS, the treasurer launches a debate around insurance
    and ask the audience to share their experiences.

    An intense debate ensued, summarized below by Alain TRAON:

    First of all, different choices are possible for compulsory insurance:
    Civil Liability, Defense, Remedies
    Individual Insurance "Like a modern" with traditional companies.
    "Collection" insurance that can be purchased for old vehicles, sometimes only ten years, even in normal gray card, but requires a second vehicle insured in the traditional way in the name of the subscriber. The price reduction is VERY important with the same guarantees as a traditional contract and the possibility of lending your vehicle. For 2018, the premium is 38.96 euros per year for a Caravelle (or any vehicle over 40 years old) at CLAVEL
    The "Fleet" insurance which is generally practiced from the third car, the additional vehicles being insured free of charge. They can only be driven by the insured and sometimes his spouse. There are possibilities of temporary derogations: For an organized outing by a Club for example. For three or more vehicles, over 40 years old, the total annual premium is from 80 euros at Clavel

    The various specialists were quoted: ICC, Mascot, Therond, Clavel, Retro Insurance, Bailly and the specialized departments of certain large groups:
    Axa, Macif, Maif.
    Then came the additional risks:
    The insurance "All risks" which covers the costs in the event of a responsible accident
    The guarantee "Fire". Very important because if the garage burns by burning the car, there is no
    Compensation.


    The guarantee "THEFT"
    These extensions require to determine the market value of the car.
    Below a certain odds, of the order of 10 000 euros, but sometimes even more, some companies accept a declaration on the honor of the value of the vehicle. The premium is then a percentage of this value. Others require to go through an Expert.

    A lively debate followed; On the choice of the expert first:

    Some thought that the company's expert was a simpler choice because it was not enforceable; others recommended the use of an independent expert more favorable to the user.
    One case was cited: Following an accident not responsible, a Caravelle in competition state was appraised by the Company to only 1 000 euros.
    It is recommended to pay attention to the knowledge of the expert. They do not all have the same level of skill on a Caravelle.

    Then on the frequency of expertises.
    It is important to update the value. Especially in these periods of sharp rise in the rating. In ten years the rating of Caravelle and Florida has almost tripled.
    Some thought that one expertise was sufficient. The values ​​given by the automotive professionals present oscillate between two and five years.

    Thank you to all the speakers who enriched the debate;
    As many collectors, so many different situations facing the insurance of vintage cars;
    However, given the growing value of our cars, and the amounts invested in catering, it seems advisable to insure for a value or to go through an expertise knowing that the amount of the premium will depend on the options purchased.
    I will be happy to read your comments about your local situation

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    Best wishes to you and yours for Christmas and the New Year!

    Thanks for a very interesting discussion. We have many different options for insurance, and vehicle licensing in Australia is organised by each State. For 'classic' cars used infrequently, the options in each State vary a lot for licensing and, of course, if your car does not comply properly with those conditions, an insurance company can legitimately decline a claim. I'll try and get a response to you from the 4CV Register of Australia in the next few weeks - holiday season here!

    In a way, this subject deserves its own thread, as it comes up from time to time.
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    Is anyone able to identify this model of Renault Floride Caravelle info-girlsand_cars3.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickris View Post
    Is anyone able to identify this model of Renault Click image for larger version. 

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    aah...that looks like the Carte de Tasmanie model....
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