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    Thanks for the info. (updated my post above)

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    Different sources say different things, for example the (french) workshop manual for the Floride 1092 has reference to both 688 & 689 engines (version numbers not noted) whereas that table (post #1) shows 670-5.
    I am not sure now where I got the 690-5 gearbox reference for the 1092, but it also is also from an unconfirmed source.

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    Floride			R1092	1952-1962	670-5	845cc	3 or 4 speed
    Floride S/Caravelle	R1131	1962-1963	689-02	956cc	4 speed
    Caravelle 1100/S	R1133	1964-1965	688-03	1108cc	4 speed
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    It can be a bit confusing as florides and caravelles had different engines and possibly gearboxes in different markets.
    So, the manuals may be misleading.

    From my knowledge, florides had the Dauphine engine, and caravelles had the 1100 engine of the R8 here in Australia as th respective models shared the floorpan and drivetrain of the respective models mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    It can be a bit confusing as florides and caravelles had different engines and possibly gearboxes in different markets.
    So, the manuals may be misleading.

    From my knowledge, florides had the Dauphine engine, and caravelles had the 1100 engine of the R8 here in Australia as th respective models shared the floorpan and drivetrain of the respective models mentioned.
    Yes thanks, I am also interested in what was supplied overseas, so all information is useful.

    In respect to engines what I've gathered loosely (for Aus at-least)

    R8 R1130 => Floride S/Caravelle R1131. Same engine except gearbox.
    R8 R1132 => Caravelle R1133. Same engine and gearbox.
    R8S R1132 => Caravelle S R1133 Same engine and gearbox with two barrel Weber Carb.
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    688 is 1108cc and 689 is 956cc.
    My understanding from all I've read over the years is, Floride 1092 is 670 845cc, Floride S 1131 is 689 956cc and never came out in a 688 1108cc only the 1133 Caravelle, and is the same for all countries.
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    Unfortunately this just poses more questions..

    Here's the updated info I have on the R8 and Dauphine, and try and make sense of this.

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    Model			Rnum	Engine			Gearbox
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    Dauphine		R1090	670-01|690-1			289|318
    Floride 		R1092	689 (690-05?)		316|318|330
    R8			R1130	689				318-15
    Floride S		R1131	689-01|689-02 (670-05)?		318
    Caravelle		R1131	688
    Caravelle S		R1133	688-02|688-03
    So it's looking like??:
    * The 330 g/b isn't standard kit for the Floride..
    * Caravelle and Caravelle S had the 318 as standard kit.
    (* Floride doesnt have a 688)

    Clarification would still be great!

    (unconfirmed) from 1st post
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    Model			Rnum	Years		Engine	cc	gb
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    Floride			R1092	1952-1962	670-5	845cc	3 or 4 speed
    Floride S/Caravelle	R1131	1962-1963	689-02	956cc	4 speed
    Caravelle 1100/S	R1133	1964-1965	688-03	1108cc	4 speed
    and ANOTHER question I can't confirm.. the overseas 'Floride Gordini' and 'Caravelle Gordini'.
    Were these using Gordini gear from the R8 & R10 respectively or are they the same as our 'S' models sold here?

    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    688 is 1108cc and 689 is 956cc.
    My understanding from all I've read over the years is, Floride 1092 is 670 845cc, Floride S 1131 is 689 956cc and never came out in a 688 1108cc only the 1133 Caravelle, and is the same for all countries.
    Sorry missed your post, thanks!! (updated above)

    So what you are saying is thus: (consistent with post #1)
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    Floride		R1092	670	845cc
    Floride S	R1131	689	956cc
    Caravelle	R1133	688	1108cc
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    Floride / (Caravelle USA), 1959-1962, R1092, 845cc, Engine 670-05, 3-speed 'box 314-20 / 314-30, 4-speed 'box 318-12 / 318-13.
    Floride S / Caravelle, 1962-1963, R1131, 956cc, Engine 689-02, 4-speed 'box 318-15.
    Caravelle 1100 / Caravelle 1100 S, 1964-1968, R1133, 1108cc, Engines 688-03 / 688-07, 4-speed 'boxes 330-00 / 330-03.

    The above info excludes the Ferlec clutch 'boxes, and also note that the Caravelle 1100S was introduced for the 1966 model year, and didn't run through all the years from 1964-68.

    Floride Gordini and Floride Caravelle are inventions of fertile imaginations, or marketing terminology in certain markets for the Floride having the Gordini marked engine,
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    Thanks again Simon..

    I've boiled down your comments:
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    Model				Rnum	Years		Engine		cc		gb
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    Floride / (Caravelle USA)	R1092	1959-1962	670-05		845cc	314-20|314-30|318-12|318-13
    Floride S / Caravelle		R1131	1962-1963	689-02		956cc	318-15
    Caravelle 1100 / 1100 S		R1133	1964-1968	688-03|688-07	1108cc	330-00|30-03
    I deleted the posts relating to creating a database, as it's hijacking the thread and no useful information.
    I'll restart the thread soon to gain interest and ideas for such a DB and if an API for other developers would be useful.

    I will be in touch with Craig, and start another thread to test the waters.
    At the end of the day if people want it made and show an interest, I'll make it.

    I've already sorted out the basic relationships with the data and have it working in a meaningful way (to me), just not much data and I'm not yet sure on the accuracy.

    ---- back on topic...


    My car is a red Caravelle is a 1133 with a 330-24 gearbox, (and R10 running gear) so the early gearbox/engines are merely a curiosity.

    Both the Dauphines I own are also R10 running gear. I do have an R8 1100 with its factory engine/gearbox but nothing earlier besides 750s.

    Hard top and soft top are still with the car, soft top needs to be re-upholstered, but looks to be complete. I bought with the car is a 688-09 and a 810-05 engine, history and condition unknown.

    It has been resprayed (almost 10 years ago) and is probably due for another (before I've even assembled it) Its showing signs of rust under the paint in some panels and has minor nicks & cracks from transporting several times over the years.

    The shell itself is completely rust free and solid, although I have thought about strengthening options before I proceed.

    I am not sure if I'll just touch the car up in places to arrest the rust, or strip it right back again.
    The paint hasn't seen any sun (or weather) so it still looks really fresh; Just don't get too close!

    I imagine it shouldn't be a difficult red paint to match if I don't opt for a total respray.
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    Well it has Trojan batteries anyway

    Looks like some rust is starting ....

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    Why would you paint a white car such a lovely shade of brown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    Why would you paint a white car such a lovely shade of brown?
    Hide the rust?
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    I would speculate that this car has been stored for sometime in a poorly ventilated enclosure, allowing the battery gasses to corrode what is already a fragile car.

    Someone should buy it just for the steering wheel, the rest is a little past it IMHO..

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    The astute observer would of course notice the towing bar brackets fitted to the front. Has probably spent some time being towed around the countryside behind a good ól RV.

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    The electric switches/controls area seem to have significant wear, which says to me that it may have had a lot of use in its electric guise, suggesting it was quite a usable set up for a long time. Under the trunk looks a bit precarious to me though ...
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    The number plate "DNF" alone is a 'no go'. My old school habits needs it to make a noise.
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    I have an American book that tells exactly how to convert a Dauphine/Floride or VW to electric power. It gives all the controller circuits etc. From the 1970's I think. I wouldn't be surprised if the photos in the book are not the same as the photos from the car engine bay dash etc.

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    wasn't an electric Dauphine already available as a Henney Kilowatt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fnqvmuch View Post
    wasn't an electric Dauphine already available as a Henney Kilowatt?
    Yes there was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    Yes there was.
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    Here tis

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    Here's one that could haul the hogs to market on a week day and be driven to church on Sunday.

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    Back in 1986 I lived in Rockhampton & bought what was supposed to be an R16TS conversion of a Floride (with R10 transmission & running gear) from a lawyer in Brisbane.

    It arrived but didn't have the R16TS engine (just an R10 one & all but half done (fan flowing wrong way for bodywork & so on).

    I contacted the lawyer & objected. He expressed surprise that I considered it important that the motor wasn't as stipulated but "agreed" to a reverse sale. Turned out that he was lying & it never happened - he became uncontactable

    In the middle of this, I received an appointment in Launceston & any disputes over fraud were disrupted. I tend to be trusting & despite being defrauded I haven't got bitter & twisted & still tend to trust first (curiously, I was cheated again by a Caravelle owner acquaintance whose shift to Tasmania I helped with - he lost a battery & electric tyre pump of mine & somehow replacement or reimbursement just didn't quite ever happen; happily these are the only dishonest Floride/Caravelle owners I've so far met.)

    Anyway,I got a friend in Brisbane to receive & sell the car on my behalf whilst I moved. It is the only car of mine that I've ever sold (& I didn't even get to drive it!) & I wonder where it ended up.

    At the time it was white.

    So, anyone out there buy a not finished off "R10 bits into a Floride" conversion in Brisbane in 1986? I'd love to hear what happened to it.

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    Interesting story Peter. I wonder what happened to it.

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    I'm still coming to grips that there would be a crooked lawyer out there..

    I can't say I know of this car either.
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    Luckily for me I'm a Floride owner not a Caravelle one that you have met.
    There is only one 16 powered Floride that I've ever seen and its in the S/W of WA. It was red and he wanted $5/6K for the rust bucket, hence why I didn't move on it. Though I still think about it as my understanding is if it had that motor when it was last registered I could re-register with the 1600 legally and not have to pass through other hoops.
    White Florides, there's plenty of those, without some numbers, plate or badge ones it will be hard to trace. I think my Mt Isa Floride was white at some time and it lived most it's life in QLD.
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    I thought that the conversion details & the time & place might trigger a memory. Oh well, hope it's OK.

    As for crooked lawyers Graham, I think that it's just a Queensland thing & unknown elsewhere :-)

    cheers! Peter
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