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    Twin 40 or 45mm Carbies wanted

    Hi All,

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    All this talk of carbies, has lead me to the decision to actually fit twin (Webers preferably) to my R15.
    Where do I find them and how much are they?
    Does anyone have any they want to sell?
    Apart from Weber carbs, are there any other worthy, similar priced brands that are readily available?

    Thanks in advance

    Luke
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    Hi Luke,

    Last time I looked Pharley's in Hume had a pair of webers set up for a Ford Escort...they weren't that cheap and of course they may not have them now. They have moved down the street a bit and no longer operate the wrecking yard (on site at least)but they are worth checking out.

    The things show up from time to time on ebay as well..they aren't that rare.

    LukeCass:
    Hi All,

    All this talk of carbies, has lead me to the decision to actually fit twin (Webers preferably) to my R15.
    Where do I find them and how much are they?
    Does anyone have any they want to sell?
    Apart from Weber carbs, are there any other worthy, similar priced brands that are readily available?

    Thanks in advance

    Luke
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    I just checked ebay australia. There is one item listed at the moment...3x45mmDCOE carbs on a holden manifold. The current price is $710 and the reserve price has not been met....hmmm expensive little buggers aren't they? However it is worth checking the e bay parts section regularly. The pair in Pharley's were less than $400.

    BogMaster:
    Hi Luke,

    Last time I looked Pharley's in Hume had a pair of webers set up for a Ford Escort...they weren't that cheap and of course they may not have them now. They have moved down the street a bit and no longer operate the wrecking yard (on site at least)but they are worth checking out.

    The things show up from time to time on ebay as well..they aren't that rare.

    LukeCass:
    Hi All,

    All this talk of carbies, has lead me to the decision to actually fit twin (Webers preferably) to my R15.
    Where do I find them and how much are they?
    Does anyone have any they want to sell?
    Apart from Weber carbs, are there any other worthy, similar priced brands that are readily available?

    Thanks in advance

    Luke
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    I have heard from various enthusiasts that when buying carbs it can be a false economy buying second-hand, unless the quality of the product is known.

    Overhaul kits + time + headaches trying to get a set of worn out carbs tuned can offset the price apparently.

    Having said that, I have no idea what new carbs would cost.

    Another thing worth mentioning is to check the serial numbers on the carbs - ideally they should be sequential (or very close too) - meaning you get a nice matched pair...
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    if you're spending $500+ on carbies and are technically minded/wanna tinker.....

    You could try and setup Injection for it most of the components are cheap and can be sourced secondhand eg camira efi.....and you can also pickup a Delco computer from just about any GM for almost nothing, it needs to be retuned etc tho.....

    You can also get efi throttle bodies for weber manifolds, if you can't source a "proper" efi manifold.

    it's not an "easy" thing to do, lots of stuffing around (fuel pumps, wiring etc)......but the result can be alot better than carbs when it's all sorted eg cold starting, doesn't go out of tune, better mixture control etc etc.
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    [QB]I have heard from various enthusiasts that when buying carbs it can be a false economy buying second-hand, unless the quality of the product is known.QB]
    Depends on the type of carb. Side draught Weber carbs use high quality bearings and rarely wear. They also cost about $900 each new.

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    I've seen some interesting corrosion problems in a set of unused carbs, these were fitted to a car but hadn't been used in a year or so. Internal corrosion around the accelerator pump actuators from memory.

    But if it'll really set you back about $2K for new carbs then I'd definitely be looking at an injection system...
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    Luke, there is by all accounts a very good weber technician in Queanbeyan who will do rebuilds at reasonable prices....

    Just to throw in another odd (not side draft) option....a guy in Sydney was trying to flog my kid an adaptor to bolt a holley carb onto his R12 manifold...... eek! eek! eek!

    LukeCass:
    Hi All,

    All this talk of carbies, has lead me to the decision to actually fit twin (Webers preferably) to my R15.
    Where do I find them and how much are they?
    Does anyone have any they want to sell?
    Apart from Weber carbs, are there any other worthy, similar priced brands that are readily available?

    Thanks in advance

    Luke
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by BogMaster:
    [QB]Just to throw in another odd (not side draft) option....a guy in Sydney was trying to flog my kid an adaptor to bolt a holley carb onto his R12 manifold[QUOTE]Originally posted by LukeCass:
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    Yeah Holley 350 CFM carbs will work fine on small engines, providing the power valve restriction orifice is plugged and drilled to reduce the size down to under 0.5mm, otherwise they run way too rich. 2 litre engines require this orifice to be about 0.5mm. The 350 Holley is not actually a big carby at all. It has 38mm throats with 30mm venturis, so it's an alternative to a 38 DGAS Weber, 40DFAV Weber, or a single side draught 38mm or 40mm Weber on a plenum chamber manifold. You will get good top end power with the Holley, but not as much low down torque as with twin side draught Webers, or a single side draught on a Lynx cross over manifold.

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    Luke,
    I know a place down here who can supply new carbs for $400 each, we can supply manifolds for $105 each, often this is better than stuffing around with second hand crap.

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    David Cavanagh:
    Luke,
    I know a place down here who can supply new carbs for $400 each, we can supply manifolds for $105 each, often this is better than stuffing around with second hand crap.

    David.
    David

    New side draught webers for $400 each? I'd like to know their phone number. Are they Webers or Mikunis? Are they old stock? That's an excellent price. How much do they sell venturis for? In Sydney just the venturis alone cost $90 per pair (from Hardiman Auto supplies in Milperra - apparently Sydney's only supplier). Jets and airbleads are about $6 each, ram tubes are usually about $50 per pair and a soft mount kit is about $35 per carb. Does this mob sell the Weber 38DGAS downdraught carb?

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    Dave what are the Mikuni Weber 'copies' like? I used to have a Mikuni US catalogue until about a month ago but gave it to a guy who wanted some for his 2002 - never did find out what they go like...

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    Stuey:
    Dave what are the Mikuni Weber 'copies' like? I used to have a Mikuni US catalogue until about a month ago but gave it to a guy who wanted some for his 2002 - never did find out what they go like...

    Stuey
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    The Mikuni's are actually Solex PHH copies. Apparently Solex had some bad experiences with their sidedraught PHH carbs in the late 60s so they stopped making them and sold the rights to Mikuni. Mikuni then improved on them until they made a pretty good carb out of them (from what I've heard). They actually are more similar to the Dellorto DHLA than the Weber DCOE, because they have a diaphragm type accelerator pump, rather than the plunger type that the Weber has. They still make the Mikunis from what I've heard (unlike the Dellortos), but I'm not sure of the price or availability. Weber seem to have cornered the market for side draught twin throat carbs with the DCOE since the Dellortos were discontinued. Knowing the Japanese I wouldn't be surprised if the latest version of the Mikuni PHH is actually a better carb than the DCOE.

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    The (free) catalogue listed full kits (including manifolds) for loads of cars, right down to washers, fuel hose etc. basically a bolt on and drive off job (jetted for the standard car). Of course there were no Renaults in there because of the numbers of them in the US. Had no prices though.

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    Dave,
    I priced some for a customer about 8 months ago and they were weber 45DCOE new in boxes, I forget the exact price but it was less than $400, I'll get the details and get back to you.

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    David Cavanagh:
    Dave,
    I priced some for a customer about 8 months ago and they were weber 45DCOE new in boxes, I forget the exact price but it was less than $400, I'll get the details and get back to you.

    David.
    David,

    I'd appreciate that. Thanks.

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    Hi Luke,

    I checked the NSW/ACT section of <a href="http://www.tradingpost.com.au" target="_blank">www.tradingpost.com.au</a> site and came up with these
    little gems:

    Carburettor, 48ml, side
    draft Dellortos, just re-built, $500 MARRICKVILLE 0412-47 2684

    Carburettors twin DCOE
    Webers, recently overhauled and kitted on Datrally manifold, complete, excellent condition,
    suit 1600 etc, $550 negotiable LEUMEAH 02-9820 1305

    Carby's x 3
    Dellortos 45mm complete set- up suit 12 port head $1000 or near offer GREENACRE 0414-23 8830
    * eek!
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    ...and these little bargains from the Melbourne Trading Post section:

    Weber 45 side
    draft twin throat carby, $160. (03) 98038830, 0412-194278 Mt Waverley
    *Weber carby 48DCOE,
    plus Holley blue fuel pump, $600, (03) 95602557 Wheelers Hill
    *
    WEBER TRIPLES 45S
    comp set suit holden red or 260z, EC $1300ono (03)59778771 (0408)548133 Somerville
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    ...and Queensland???
    Don't you worry about that!

    Delorto triple side
    draft carbies 40mm plus manifold suit Holden 6 cyl. -$1150 Cornubia (0402) 691 588 or (0402) 707 158

    Triple 45mm Webbers
    with fuel line VGC - $750 Cleveland (0415) 622 992

    Weber 45mm side
    draft, set up for turbo, water methanol injectors, manifold & air cleaner, VGC -$250 Burpengary 3888 4112 or (0405) 298 454

    Weber twin Hodcor
    sidedraft carbies Alfa Romeo 1600 Sprint GT -$350 Tarragindi 3848 5783
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    ..and the tiger killers:

    Webers triple 45
    DCOE with manifold and linkages $900 or near offer, mini cockpit computer $350 or near offer, 2 Sparco Sprint seats, as new $500, aluminium catch can $80, aluminium 1/2 cage roll bars and harness to suit Datsun 240Z to 260Z, $300 BELLERIVE 0418-12 2878
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    I bought a 40mm DCOE at a swap meet 9 years ago for $60. It had a stuffed choke mechism and stripped threads. I bought another the following year in the Dandenongs through the trading post for $140, which was missing the choke lever. Basically I built one good carby out of the two. So it cost me $200, but then the aircleaner cost me $100, the ram tubes cost me about $60 and all the jets and airbleeds, etc, cost me about $6 each. Oh, and the manifold cost me about $100 or a tad more. So it adds up. Atleast the cost has been spread over many years. I might even put it on my car in a few months!

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    Oh, and I forgot, then there will be the cost of sticking the car on a chassis dyno and having it tuned properly. Atleast with DCOEs the tuning hours are less, because the guy doesn't have to pull the carby apart to change the jets, etc (unlike convential carbs, DGV's, Holleys, etc).

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    Hi All
    Thanks for the very useful info.
    Dave - I too would be interested if you can still get the Webers for $400 each new.
    I trust that you still have the manifolds in stock?

    Again many thanks for the info

    Luke
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    Bogmaster,

    I'll show you a little tip.

    In trading post if you do your initial search say NSW/ACT. Once the pages come up click on the refine search link in the left hand corner. You can then select other states/other parameters and redo the search nationally in the one go by selectign all states/all regions all prices etc, rather than going state by state.

    This is now a Thursday ritual for me - a national search for R8 & R10 parts in two short steps!! Why they don't allow you to refine the search right from the start I don't know.

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    Sorry Dave and everyone else but I f***ed up, those new webers I was talking about are actually $695 + Gst each. I don't know where I got $400 from. They are still available though.

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