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    Turbo on R17

    Hi guys
    Anyone know much about putting a turbo on a 807-810 ? My mate has a Garret T25 turbo that he doesn't want and thinks I should put it on my R17.
    Dosnt really look like a major job. Has any one ever done one ? Or thought of doin it.
    It'd be similar to the Fuego turbo, I guess

    Keen to hear.
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    Hi Ash how ya doin,
    Do a bit of research on the Garret systen re-waste gates etc then bite the bullet & do it as i did with the blower on the R16 powered R10, btw the motor in bits i decided it was time for more horsies ie. Cam & custom exhaust WADE Camshafts here in Melb came up with a cam to suit the blower setup
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    Hi Damien

    Yea would be Worth looking at.
    Seeing R18 turbo motors are so scarse here only way out would be to have a look at turboing the existing motor.

    Or if not have a look at the Blower project.

    It'd something different that's for sure.

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    Ashley, did you check out that 15, cause if your not interested I am, but I don't step on people, you saw it first so you get first bite.
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    HI David

    About the 15...
    I was all Keen to go pick the car up this weekend. But the Old Man Doesn't approve of it. He thinks if I purchase the R15 I'm moving back one(from The R17) when all along he thinks I should be moving up the scale (like a R8G or something) instead of backwards.

    This 15 is in pretty good nick and has all the good 17 bits on it like Twin headlights rear boot spoiler. Engine and G gearbox seems to be alright, we didn't take it for a drive though, cause of all the junk in his shed.
    So I Don't think I'll be getting it.
    It really wouldn't worry me if someone else took it. (Dave)

    Just gotta sort out how to tell him that I don't want it now. He's expecting me this weekend.

    So if anyones got any R8G's lying around that they want to get rid of for a cheapish price. I'd be more then Glad to take it of your hands.
    Although Something tells me its not gonna happen.

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    Ashley, there is a cheap 8G in this months unique cars mag, an original 1135 in need of restoration, I'm temped myself but I don't think I really need another project write now.
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    Where is the 1135 located? And how much is cheap?

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    Hi Dave

    Yea I saw the 1135 in Unique Cars. Says it has Good motor and 5 Speed with it.

    If it was located in Queensland I'd be interested but I just don't have the urge to fly down to ( Simon, it could be located in your neck of the woods) S.A.

    From the Photo looks like it needs a bit of work too. As fun as it is to do up a car, I really don't think I have the time and facilities to pull off such a job.

    I'd be keener to pick up a car which has pretty much had all the work done for me.
    As slack as it sounds.

    Although I'll Keep my eye open.


    Must say I thought there where quite a few Reno's in the latest Unique Cars.
    Was pretty impressed.

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    Thanks Ash,

    If it is in SA I do know the car, and it does require a full restoration and rebuild, but it is all there including a set of Cosmic mags.

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    Hi Guys,
    Yep, lots of Renaults in this months Unique cars, but the best one of all is on page 42, the story on Hanging Rock, take a look in the bottom left corner, thats my 12G driving past the Hanging Rock sign, yep if you could blow the picture up you'd see me and family in it.
    Simon, do you know that 1135? Is it any good?
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    Hi Guys,
    Yep, lots of Renaults in this months Unique cars, but the best one of all is on page 42, the story on Hanging Rock, take a look in the bottom left corner, thats my 12G driving past the Hanging Rock sign, yep if you could blow the picture up you'd see me and family in it.
    Simon, do you know that 1135? Is it any good?
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    Thats a bads stutter Dave never noticed it before :-)
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    If it is the car I am thinking off (there can't be too many around) this is the description. If not, here is another 8G 1135 on the market in Adelaide.

    It is an AUS assembled 1967/68 R8G. The car is presently totally dismantled and has been that way for about the last 15 years. The shell has been blasted and primered, and is quite straight, but it has been used for rallying in the past and a new roof has been welded on sometime it its past career. There is also minor rust in the usual R8 places in the rear wheel arches. It is a genuine 8G shell.

    The 812 motor and 5 speed gearbox are complete and the motor has been used in a normal 8 at some stage, with the gearbox having been rebuilt at some stage in its life.

    The rest of the bits are all there, but require tidying up and/or refurbishing, with the car requiring assembly.

    As I said before, this may or may not be the same car as in Unique Cars, but if interested let us know and I'll give you the contact details of the car I've described.

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    Hey Dave

    Love ya work

    Saw a nice little R12G leaving the seen in Unique Cars.

    What's the Difference between R17 TS and R17 Gordini ?
    Are they both the same ? Or Just Gordini took over the "TS" name later on ?

    Its just that Im goin to look at a R17G for sale. :->

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    Ashley,

    I think you'll be interested in this excellent 15/17 website:

    http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/S.../Reg/main.html

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    Ashley,

    I think you'll be interested in this excellent 15/17 website:

    http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/S.../Reg/main.html

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    Hi Dave

    Yea I used to live at that page until things just stoped happening. It has'nt been updated in quite a while.

    The opening page has changed. Thats about it.

    I'd be keen to learn more about their cars and stuff.

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    Hi Ashley,
    17TS and 17 Gordini are basically the same, there based on a detuned version of the 12 Gordini. The 17TS was released as the model range was the 15TL, 15TS, 17TL, 17TS, the 17TS (which was desinged by Gordini as a Gordini) became badged Gordini to give it the title it deserved, the TS and the "G" do share the same mechanicals the body shell is different, the "G" uses the late shell with the petrol door instead of the round cap, the "G" has hi back seats and retractable seat belts, but both cars use the same oval plate number R1317. If you find a real "G" go for it, I have driven (and owned) lots of hot 8's
    12's and 17's and it doesn't matter whether your talking about GT Falcons, Cooper S, Lotus Cortina's or anything at all there is one thing to remember, you can spent any amount you want on a replica but it won't come close to the real thing and never ever think of a Gordini as just a hotted up Renault.
    Oh by the way, I hope to be up your way in a week or two to pick up that 15, so I'll need some directions around Brisy.
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    Dave

    Have you Contacted the owner Martin ?

    How are you getting up here ?

    Thanks for the Gordini info.
    Had a look. Was'nt bad, think he's dreaming though. Asking big money.

    I'll send some pic's to your address.

    The guy just happens to have a R5 Turbo2 aswell, for $45.
    He took it out and I nearly had an accident, it looked that good. hehe

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    Atleast with a replica you don't have to be scared of driving it too hard and smashing an irreplaceable piece of history. You can always find another shell for a replica. Modifying a replica beyond the abilities of an original doesn't destroy the resale value either as a replica has no resale value. You get your money's worth out of a replica not by selling it but by keeping it for years, using it all the time and thrashing the hell out of it. I know a few people who've had an immaculate original car of one sort or another and a second cheap beat up car with a hot motor to drive every day. They tend to get more fun and use out of the cheap car which they are not worried sick about.

    Just a thought.

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    Hi Ashley,
    I've spoken to Martin and he has told me what its to get it going so I will be flying up and driving back, I'll ring Martin again tomorrow to conferm but thats the plan.
    The 17G you found, he also has a 5 turbo 2, is it a white one, a guy from QLD came to the Renault round up in a friends Alpine and said he had a 5 turbo2, couldn't be to many up there surely. The 17G, you said he wanted big bucks, I don't know what big bucks are but I'm surprised at the offers I've had for mine, nearly what I paid for the MI16 so don't be surprised if he gets it, down here he would anyway, I don't know what the markets like up there. So geniune cars could be worth more than you think, as for the bloody 12G, the offers I've had for that I could buy a new Cleo and spent the change hotting it up.
    Dave, what you said about replicas is true enough, I get paraniod about the 12G, it get washed nearly everyday and never goes to public car parks and I've just recently put it back together because the radiator had some stone chips and needed respraying. But I do know people who have spent so much money on a replica there could have bought a geniune article, I know someone who recently spent a fortune doing up a mark 1 Escort only to find a geniune Lotus for half the amount. Someone else spent over 20K on a Renault 10, Alpine motor, the works, a very nice car and they enjoyed it alot but when it came time to sell I think they only got about 2 or 3 grand for it, if they spent all that time and money on an 8G it would be worth it. On the other hand I know someone else who until a few years ago rallied a geniune 8G, the car got a hell of a bounding and we all cryed everytime he took it out and we all kept asking, why doesn't he do that to a replica?
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    David,

    I know what you mean about people spending alot of money on replicas. I've noticed this particularly seems to be the case when people do very little of the work themselves, and pay others to do it instead. I've noticed that when people do alot of research and do all the work themselves, they can often do things quite cheaply (i.e. $1000 to $2000 for a worked engine as opposed to over $5000). Although, I guess it's hard to put a price on the extra hours that an owner builder puts in themselves. If you factored that in, as some kind of dollar value, it would be pretty high. I think people always loose when they sell a car that they've had built up from scratch. I try to get my money back by keeping the car for a long time and using it alot, rather than assuming I'm going to get anything by selling it. Constantly buying and selling cars is one sure way to loose money!

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    David,

    It must be great having a 12G. Where did you get yours? Did you restore it yourself? I guess there wouldn't have been more than a few imported into Australia. Do you know how many are still roadworthy?

    I've always thought a very hot R12 would be great as most people think they're just funny little French cars, and they'd get a shock when it blew them away. It's been sad to see so many complete and near-roadworthy R12s get sold to the metal recyclers in the last ten years. If I had an acre or so of land I could have picked up heaps of R12s and R16s in the last ten years, and still had change from $1000. You can't give them away. It's really sad to see good cars chucked because no one wants them. They often seem to sit in their owner's yards for 5 years or so after running out of rego and get rustier and rustier until they are no use to anyone. Every now and then you see an immaculate R16 or R12 sell for $3000 or so, but unless they're perfect there is no market for them. It's a bit different to Turkey, Romania and Argentina where R12s are everywhere and are in high demand. They even make R12/Dacia utes, coupes and 5 door hatchbacks in Romania, although I think they are pretty ugly compared to the original R12.

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    It is strange but true that the 12G and 17G had very little input from Amedee Gordini himself, being based on the 16TS motor which was a sort of Peugeot/Renault design collaboration. The 17TS being called a Gordini in August 1974 as a sort of replacement for the 12G which was discontinued at the same time.

    As for picking between a 17G and a 17TS, my preference would be for a TS, most of the G's and later 15TS's and 17TL's seem to be built out of a poorer quality steel than the earlier cars, possibly recycled Russian steel due to a steel strike in France around that time. They seem to suffer more from rust in the front pillars, scuttle panel, chassis rails, sills and rear double skinned panel than the earlier 17TS's.

    The AUS spec 17G was a sort of odd amalgam, being nearly the US spec shell with flap type fuel filler and petrol tank under the rear floor, probably making it easier to conform with the AUS evaporative emission controls of the day. The only thing you miss on the 17TS is the tinted side glass of the 17G.

    The six 12G's in AUS were imported fully built up by Renault Australia in 1971, and were converted to RHD in Australia, as they were never produced by the factory in RHD form. The only shame here is that Renault did not produce a quick ratio steering rack in RHD, so the cars had to be fitted with a standard ratio R12 rack, but they did gain the RHD setting for the wipers which is unique to Australian 12's.

    The 12 is a sort of anti-Renault really, it is not complex like the 16, and is quite simple to work on. These reasons, and its economy of running and reliability probably led to its success, especially in Australia. The simplicity of the design is likely to stem from its roots as an opportunity to licence the design to be produced in the Eastern Bloc, it was picked up by Dacia in Romania, but missed out being picked up by Lada.





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    Hi Dave, yep the 12G is fun, mine was the WA car, rallied by Rod Slater and John Large, when the rally team split up in 73 the cars were sold, mine was bought by a works mechanic who kept it mecanically complete but the body looked like your typical 20 year old faded blue 12, with no bumpers and rust in all the panels it really looked the part. The owner had died and his widow was out giving it a run when I spotted it, I was hoping she didn't know what it was and she looked at me and said do you know what this car is, I said to myself, bugger it you do so I can't offer you 100 bucks for it. This all happened back in 1988 and I paid more for it in that condition than I paid for the MI16 only 3 months ago. I restored it myself, took nine years and a big load of cash, I did the body myself and I got someone to do the final baked enamel finish in an oven. All six cars survive, mine is the only one restored ( at the moment anyway ) but the others are getting there, one is entered in the Classic Adelaide this year so they better get a move on.
    Funny you mentioned Dacia, I have one of those as well its a 4wd pick up, an R12 front with a ute back, Renault running gear with a tail shaft out the back to a live rear axle and leaf springs, very interesting but the Rumanian quality is terrible, it my be 4wd but I still got it boged and had to be towed out by a standard 12.
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