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    After reading the issue of CAR the 1.4L RCIII was tested, weighed in at 1134kg.

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    The article went onto say that renault are trying to hurry the release of the RCS III to come inline with the release of the polo GTi, without compromising the quality and power of its normally aspirated engine.

    They claim that the new RCS III will be slower because of weight issues, so the current 172/182 owners are going to be quicker 0 - 100kms/hr than the new RCS III.


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    ...but still quicker than the Peugeot? ;-)
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    yeah with an extra 200kg, its just not going to be the throw around it was

    the 172's/182's will be the last of the good ones perhaps?

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    Default Could RenaultSport be that dumb?

    Dont know on this one......... do we really think that after all the accolades the current Clio has enjoyed, that RenaultSport(Not your typical backyard type of company) would make a car that is slower think not.

    Thats a huge backward step, and i dont think even Renault are that dumb.

    As their are no real performance tests done an its all cloak an dagger stuff at the moment, lets wait an see.

    I grant you, 200Kg is a huge amount of extra weight to lug around, but i would not right off the Clio just yet.

    And again, no real confirmed specs on this model yet..... lets wait an see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nate
    the 172's/182's will be the last of the good ones perhaps?
    Give it a chance, I remember that the very early tests of the 172 said a similar thing. That the 172 was lardier than the Williams with less sophisticated rear suspension, and that the Williams was the last of the good-uns. A few tests later and the 172 was the new icon :-)

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    anyone one have the performance figures for the RSCIII? whats the bhp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugjet
    anyone one have the performance figures for the RSCIII? whats the bhp?
    No performance figures as yet, but apparently it will be around 210bhp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugjet
    anyone one have the performance figures for the RSCIII? whats the bhp?
    134kw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    No performance figures as yet, but apparently it will be around 210bhp.
    I think a few ozrenault owners got a bit overzealous with that figure


    The first turbocharged Pug GTi is expected to have more than 134kW of power to rival the forthcoming Renaultsport Clio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Pug
    I think a few ozrenault owners got a bit overzealous with that figure
    Yeah, well, it depends on which article you pick. Renault have not yet released figures. Quoted figures are likely just a guess depending on the journo. I've seen figures from "over 200", 205 and 210. So take your pick, either way it will be more than 182 :-)

    Besides, in that carsguide article, what a meaningless statement by the journo. If Peugeot cannot get considerably more than 134kW with a hairdryer out of a motor already producing 130kW, they may as well pack up and go home. The Clio 182 already has 131kW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    Give it a chance, I remember that the very early tests of the 172 said a similar thing. That the 172 was lardier than the Williams with less sophisticated rear suspension, and that the Williams was the last of the good-uns. A few tests later and the 172 was the new icon :-)
    Simon,
    I have heard the same thing from a guy in the RCCQ about the early limited edtition(of 85 cars we got here) of Sport Clios as opposed to the 172 version. Apparently the old one was faster in a straight line by a margin due to torque and gearing(?)
    I agree that R'Sport would surely not go backwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HONG KONG PUGGY
    Simon,
    I have heard the same thing from a guy in the RCCQ about the early limited edtition(of 85 cars we got here) of Sport Clios as opposed to the 172 version. Apparently the old one was faster in a straight line by a margin due to torque and gearing(?)
    I agree that R'Sport would surely not go backwards.
    Thing is this was about the new (at the time) RS Clio II 172 (equivalent to the AUS limited edition Cup cars) not being as good as the old Clio Williams. From old Evo magazine tests, they are very close, the 172 having a seeming slight edge. The newer 2002 model RSC 172 did have marginally different gearing, but from a quick look at the various tests, the differences are marginal and the variations are down to the driver (ie the results vary either way, the early car beats the late car in some tests and vice versa). You have to be careful comparing the results, because some tests have the lightweight UK pukka Cup spec cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    Yeah, well, it depends on which article you pick. Renault have not yet released figures. Quoted figures are likely just a guess depending on the journo. I've seen figures from "over 200", 205 and 210. So take your pick, either way it will be more than 182 :-)
    Indeed it will be more then 182, but by how much, time will tell. Hopefully the weight issue wont bog it down.

    Besides, in that carsguide article, what a meaningless statement by the journo. If Peugeot cannot get considerably more than 134kW with a hairdryer out of a motor already producing 130kW, they may as well pack up and go home. The Clio 182 already has 131kW.
    Need to consider that pug has opted for a smaller motor 1600CC with a turbo charger, so pushing more then 135kw out of it pretty good, anyway this is not about the pug, its about RCS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Pug
    anyway this is not about the pug, its about RCS
    You were the one who introduced the vibe of comparison into the thread :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    You were the one who introduced the vibe of comparison into the thread :-)
    I did, but it was indirectly, I was just using it as a source to get the alleged power of the RCSIII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Pug
    Need to consider that pug has opted for a smaller motor 1600CC with a turbo charger, so pushing more then 135kw out of it pretty good, anyway this is not about the pug, its about RCS
    my 1.4 is doing about 120kw, made in 1985

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    More bits of the RSC3 jigsaw ripped from UK CAR magazine December '05.

    "Renaultsport engineers are working flat out on the road and at Nurburgring to hone the hot Clio before its launch next (UK) spring. In early 2007 firmer, sharper Cup and Trophy versions should follow. For now the focus is getting the most from its naturally aspirated 2.0 litre four cylinder engine, with a six speed 'box. It will have more power than the outgoing Clio 182 but it's also expected to be heavier, so don't expect it to beat the Clio 182's 6.9 second sprint to 62mph and 139mph top whack"

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