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    Alpine A110 Kit

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    I am interested in maybe building an A110 as kit car. I heard a rumour that the fibreglass bodies can be made here, and we all not a bit about the mechanicals if your reading this. So anyone know anything? Costs, availabilities, antything that might be of interest.

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    Dale34:
    Hey
    I am interested in maybe building an A110 as kit car. I heard a rumour that the fibreglass bodies can be made here, and we all not a bit about the mechanicals if your reading this. So anyone know anything? Costs, availabilities, antything that might be of interest.
    You'd better call Alpine Affaire I think.

    Maybe made here but available in kit form? Not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong.

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    Hey Dale!

    The deal is that there isn't a kit as such, but there is a mould for the fibreglass body.

    Question is, is it worth putting renault 10 running gear on a vw chassis? Could be an interesting project.

    Talk to George (our uncle)
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    Hey Dale!

    The deal is that there isn't a kit as such, but there is a mould for the fibreglass body.

    Question is, is it worth putting renault 10 running gear on a vw chassis? Could be an interesting project.

    Talk to George (our uncle)
    Going that way, maybe you would be better off with some Subaru motor tacked on to a suitable VW transaxle...turbo Subaru front cuts aren't that dear....could make it a bit more exciting, that conversion could also be a bit more straightforward as there are off the shelf components to support it. Garlic rice.

    Either way it is never going to be an Alpine, but could have some fun value.

    cheers!

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    On the other hand you could get a long way down the road to building a replica using the components flogged at great expense by Mecaparts.

    <a href="http://www.mecaparts.com" target="_blank">www.mecaparts.com</a>

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    Well, the main thing which makes a one off replica expensive in Australia is getting it engineered and registered.

    In Eastern Europe it's relatively easy. There used to be a website by a guy in Hungary or Poland or somewhere like that, who built his own Alpine using a new fibreglass shell and R17TS running gear. He built an exact A110 replica chassis too, from steel tubing.

    There was another replica built in England using a Darrian chassis (Hillman Imp based chassis). It was called the Montecarlo and only one was built (see magazine article in Aussiefrogs download section). It used a 2 litre Fuego/20/traffic engine with twin webers.

    If you don't plan on registering a replica it's alot easier. If you only plan to use it for motor sport, it only has to pass the CAMS safety and noise regulations. The only part that has to be engineered is the roll bar as far as I know (but it's getting stricter each year).

    The most difficult and most important part of building the replica chassis is getting a good jig sorted out to make aligning and welding the chassis components easy.

    The original chasis probably only used 1020 "high strength" mild steel or something similar, but if you have access to a TIG welder then Chrome Moly steel would be the way to go these days, because it's lighter, stronger and not that much more expensive.

    It would be nice if there was enough of us interested to co-operate in getting a good jig together so we could make our own small production run of chassis. After all, the A110 chassis is one of the simplest/minimalist back bone chassis ever made, so it should be a damn sight easier to build than a Cobra or Clubman chassis (the key is getting it nice and straight, hence the jig).

    The fibreglass body would be the most expensive compent, then getting all the little bits and pieces for the windows, hinges, door catches etc, to fit would be a pain in the rear end. There's alot of fiddly stuff there, which you don't have in open top cars like Clubmans and Cobras.

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    NEWS FLASH

    Just read this on totalkitcar.com

    "While we are on the subject on new cars…………….. we have scant information on a new Alpine A110 replica from Kazakstan of all places called the Stroyka Gottchu. More info when we get it."

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    A110 Replica's the place you want is Alpine Affaire
    4 Thanet Court Ringwood 3134 Vic Australia
    03 9879 1961

    They were looking at making A110 years ago, they had people come out from France and the UK looking that their work, there A110 bodies were of a very high standard, they can supply space frames as in the proper chassis and the R8/10 suspension bits.

    The Engine is one huge problem as you have to comply to emission standards of today I think, when they were doing them the 1600cc renault engine was a hard one to comply, yet what is very easy these days is a 2Litre RS Clio 16V engine, unleaded etc. The gearbox also maybe interesting, maybe a new modern alternative would have to be sought after. I saw a R8G and the Gordini day in france last year with a 2litre RS Clio 16V mated to a "rare' 5 speed gordini box which had a custom bell housing. The engine backets were quite easy and looked very professional. Here is a place that has a very big reputation in doing some interesting things, they may do the RS Clio engine to custom Gearbox.
    <a href="http://www.rodshop.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.rodshop.com.au/</a>

    The interior is the hard one, not for the seats, headlining etc, but the instrument panels, speedo tacho etc, they are the rare items as you would have to find the dials, maybe some other make of car use similar dials and that would be something you would have to find out.

    So in the end with money, time for research and a lot of development time I feel yes you could make a modern replica conforming to todays standards. We have the engineering shops and know how here in Australia, it is just if you have the money and the passion to start the job and in the end work through all the problems to finish it. You would be the first to do it here in australia with a new replica without getting a smashed up or donor A110 where you switch its identity

    Maybe something to think about, you would have to ring Colin Stark at Alpine Affaire to find out about prices and time frames.

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    Sorry about the spelling, I just read what I had posted, one other thing is once one person has done the replica, then that will make it easier for others to follow in your path.

    I am waiting for someone to put a 1.6, 2litre 16V Clio etc motor in a 70's Renault, now that will be interesting, all those R12's, R15/17 and hey a R16 would be interesting with a RS 2 Litre 16V in it, give a new meaning to TS "Touring Sports" :-)

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    Yeah George was over on Sunday night. We were talking about it then and George thought he knew from somewhere that they were making bodies here. Ever since Dad did his course he has been interested in a project like that, so I am helping them look into it.

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    count me in, Ill have one too!

    I was thinking of buying a chassis in the uk tho.
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    Colin at alpine affaire can supply seperate A110 bodies made new out of their fibreglass moulds and they have made full A110 chassis's. I saw a chassis ages ago that was owned by Robbie Mekenkamp, he had one, they said it's was exactly the same as the factory ones fully fabricated, that what I can remember from the distant past. I would have thought shipping from the UK would be a $$$ affair.

    It cost me around $6000 aus to get my A310 from Switzerland to Australia in shipping costs alone, that was packing, trucking, and shipping the car. roll_lau

    And anything I save on shipping could go towards creating your car.........

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    sorry

    And anything you save on shipping could go towards creating your car.........

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    so looks like the trim / dials and fiddly bits are the things to chase OS
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    One place that has some interesting stuff is
    <a href="http://www.mecaparts.com/" target="_blank">http://www.mecaparts.com/</a>
    in france, you could source quite a few odd and ends there, like the badges, trim stuff, etc. They may know where dials etc maybe found as well, who knows.

    Some people on Aussie Frogs have dealt with these dudes before...... shipping stuff to australia from france

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    Covert:
    One place that has some interesting stuff is
    <a href="http://www.mecaparts.com/" target="_blank">http://www.mecaparts.com/</a>
    in france, you could source quite a few odd and ends there, like the badges, trim stuff, etc. They may know where dials etc maybe found as well, who knows.

    Some people on Aussie Frogs have dealt with these dudes before...... shipping stuff to australia from france
    err yeh, like Bogmaster mentioned earlier in this post....
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    Oh yeh sorry about that one............. I seem to have missed that one well here are some more addresses of interest while I am at it, off a website on the net somewhere.

    SPECIALISTE ALPINE de FRANCE

    VEC RACING
    Fax:+33-2-37 36 30 78
    The owner is honest, an amateuer racer.
    He hires young mechanic speaking English well. So you may use English to communicate.
    You can buy pieces Alpine here. Maybe they send you a catalogue well-sorted.

    Garage LRVO
    Fax:+33-1-39 80 49 02
    A110, A310, A610, 5 TURBO, etc. They deal vehicles Alpine.
    Specialiste Alpine nearest from Paris.

    EFJIE distribution
    Fax:+33-2-54 43 22 82
    The owner, J.Galpin is a famous rallye pilote, earns money for his activity by selling Alpines.
    He also deals pieces Alpine. He may send you a catalogue. Very large shop.

    Gonod Berlinette Service
    Fax:+33-4-94 71 63 50
    This is the shop of famous Alpinist J.M.Gonod.
    He maintains Olivier Panis's A110. Olivier is a remarkable F1 pilote.
    You can buy pieces Alpine here. They may send you a catalogue on your request.
    PIECES ALPINE et GORDINI

    I know the english is funny but thats how it was on the Internet
    also I found this site, huge picture database, check it out, search for your fav car.
    <a href="http://www.allsportauto.com/english/" target="_blank">http://www.allsportauto.com/english/</a>

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    Some 10 years ago, in partnership with a work colleague, I imported an A110 rolling chassis, and then proceeded to make a weld jig.
    A total of 3 chassis were made, one of which is the Rob Meckenkamp item mentioned above.
    I still have one chassis, set up for a 16 engine. I also have enough laser cut components & cut lengths of tubing to make at least 3 more chassis.
    As mentioned above, the biggest stumbling block for road registering an Alpine replica is in ADR certification, but a decent competition vehicle based on an A110 is far from rocket science.
    If anyone is interested in purchasing a chassis, please contact me.

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    I would be interested definitely.

    How much we talking?
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    I would be interested definitely.

    How much we talking?
    Fake a complete Alpine from a reproduction rolling chassis up... Why would you go to the time and trouble?

    I just can't see the point in going to that much trouble to create something that at the end of the day can never be an Alpine.

    That's a long way from cutting a couple of extra holes in the front of an 8 and make believing it's a G.



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    The idea is not pretend that we have a genuine A110. The goal is to have the body and a decent replica. Also just to have as a project something to do. So I guess what we are really looking for is the body and ways we can use it. It won't be anything but a kit.
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    BogMaster:
    I just can't see the point in going to that much trouble to create something that at the end of the day can never be an Alpine.

    That's a long way from cutting a couple of extra holes in the front of an 8 and make believing it's a G.

    You don't get it!. The point is to have a really hot Renault sportscar with a 1960s style. Wether or not it's an original Alpine is beside the point.

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    alpinesau:

    I still have one chassis, set up for a 16 engine. I also have enough laser cut components & cut lengths of tubing to make at least 3 more chassis.
    As mentioned above, the biggest stumbling block for road registering an Alpine replica is in ADR certification, but a decent competition vehicle based on an A110 is far from rocket science.
    If anyone is interested in purchasing a chassis, please contact me.

    Robert
    Robert,

    If you were to make these 3 chassis, how much money would you be asking for each of them?

    Maybe you could give us an idea of what you need to cover costs plus enough to make it worth your while and people can bid from there upwards?

    I'd be surprised if there'd be much more than 3 definite buyers, so the bidding might not go that far above the reserve, but it would be interesting to see.

    If I were ever to build one, I'd want to use an R16 engine, so it would be for motorsport only, and I wouldn't bother too much with interior and other fiddly bits.

    Whilst I may or may not have enough money for a chassis, I assume the bodies are way beyond my budget at the moment. Any idea of the cost?

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    How about people just e-mail or phone the relevent parties for prices, I don't see how anyone is going to just post prices on this forum.

    I mean it would seem to me that they may not just want to post some price up here for everyone to see, this is no e-bay. You either have the money to buy the chassis and a body or you don't.

    Just ring the relevent dudes and get a price. They are either dreaming or it's a good project to start.

    I don't know if thats the right sort of thing they are doing to just post.......

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