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    Default Renault Clio - European Car of the Year

    Can't find a link to send you, but just received an email from Automotive News announcing that Renault has won Euro COTY ahead of then new Passat. Congrats!

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    Yep, confirmed

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    This is an interesting result, and surprising after skimming through the judges individual comments.

    It seems the Clio has a crook power steering setup. What a shame! I guess it won't matter to the majority of buyers though.

    I would have thought the C1/107/Aygo trio might have won.

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    Congratulations Renault

    Guess we now await the resident VW guru to tell us why they never won, bet it was poor judging?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    This is an interesting result, and surprising after skimming through the judges individual comments.

    It seems the Clio has a crook power steering setup. What a shame! I guess it won't matter to the majority of buyers though.

    I would have thought the C1/107/Aygo trio might have won.
    Yeah, the overwhelming negative still seems to be the electro assist steering...

    The rest of the car seems to be brilliant...hopefully they can make a running change to sort it out.

    One of the reviewers seemed to indicate that it may be a component problem as some cars seem very good whilst others are shite...

    I wonder what the steering on the RCS will be like?

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    Well done to the "Diamond" crew...nice one! I have to laugh then at the Top Gear Survey about French cars being so bad...........

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    Renault has now won it 6 times:
    Clio III - 2006
    Mégane II - 2003
    Scénic I - 1997
    Clio I - 1991
    9 - 1982
    16 - 1966

    Citroën:
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    CX - 1975
    GS - 1971

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    The red one looks like an Echo !! Not for me thanx. JR
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr20516v
    The red one looks like an Echo !! Not for me thanx. JR
    Don't confuse it with the Peugeot 107 or Citroen C1 - they actually ARE the Echo (Yaris)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa
    Don't confuse it with the Peugeot 107 or Citroen C1 - they actually ARE the Echo (Yaris)
    Not quite - the Toyota sister to the 107 & C1 is the Toyota Aygo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    Not quite - the Toyota sister to the 107 & C1 is the Toyota Aygo.
    Oops my mistake, my lack of Toyota knowledge is showing. Are they all made in Japan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa
    Oops my mistake, my lack of Toyota knowledge is showing. Are they all made in Japan?
    The 107/C1/Aygo all come off the same production line in the Czech Republic.
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    speaking of which, did you guys know the Oz delivery Golf GTIs Mk V are made in Sth Africa?!!!!

    so much for paying the premium for german cars. when my friends tell the French don't make good cars, I tell them neither do the South Africans, coz that's where we get the Corolla, 3-series, C-class and now Golf GTI! At least I can say my Renault Clio and Meganes were made in France, no buts about it!

    I mean if I am forking out close to $60k for a German marque, the least I want is for it to be made in Germany! ok, maybe if my German marque came with machine guns and rocket launchers due to the Sth African assembly, I might forgive them

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue2th
    speaking of which, did you guys know the Oz delivery Golf GTIs Mk V are made in Sth Africa?!!!!
    IMO, nothing beats a Japanese built car for build quality. Compare the panel gaps on a Honda with a 407. The French still have a lot to learn.
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    yes, i agree, the jap built cars are much better put together. but they generally tend to be bland and un-exciting, unlike the model they get domestically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue2th
    I mean if I am forking out close to $60k for a German marque, the least I want is for it to be made in Germany!
    If there's next to no difference in quality of a South African assembled BMW compared with a German one - is it really that important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    If there's next to no difference in quality of a South African assembled BMW compared with a German one - is it really that important?
    Not to most of us, but to purists I suppose it would be like owning a Brazillian/other country assmebled 'froggie'.
    It would, as you say depend on the build quality. Does anyone know where the current batch of Meganes that are in Mexico are assembled? I saw one new frog when we were in California recently and I am told it would have been Mex registered. It was a current model Megane sedan
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    from experience in Malaysia, the local assembled 3 series versus the German imported 3 series has a noticeable difference in the quality and feel.

    the imported laguna felt a lot better put together than the local assembled 3 series and yet the price difference was huge! (malaysian excise and duty is applied at a higher rate for a fully imported model versus local assembled)

    I haven't been on a 3 series here too many times to compare the quality of SA assembled and German assembled 3 series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue2th
    At least I can say my Renault Clio and Meganes were made in France, no buts about it!
    My Megane was made in Spain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa
    My Megane was made in Spain.
    On the plain, perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    On the plain, perhaps.


    Is there a way to tell where a Renault is assembled?. Do renault etc have all that info in the VIN number, and is there a site to decode it? I have a link for on S**bs, it tells what factory, which area blah blah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HONG KONG PUGGY
    Is there a way to tell where a Renault is assembled?. Do renault etc have all that info in the VIN number, and is there a site to decode it?
    That info would be in the VIN, but if you have access to the car, it's easier to check the build plate - that should say where the car was assembled, little interpretation required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    That info would be in the VIN, but if you have access to the car, it's easier to check the build plate - that should say where the car was assembled, little interpretation required.
    Oh, I haven't actually looked but will go and do so for interest.
    Better be on there, am going to make a special trip downstairs to look
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa
    My Megane was made in Spain.
    well, the clio was RSC and Megane is CUP, so assembled in Dieppe

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