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    Hi guys, Enjoy all the feedback on this web......just a little keen on looking at a Renault 21 3 sp auto 1988 TXE fuel injec..but not real keen on autos and was wondering if i could get some ideas on the 21's transmission and the car itself...I have a R20.and the R12's and R16 were also magic machines....so was thinking at a Toyota Camry or a R21,mainly driven by my partner...cheeers.

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    Its basically a Fuego with a different body Manuals uses a NG series Box

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    Quote Originally Posted by AU-YT
    Its basically a Fuego with a different body Manuals uses a NG series Box
    Er not quite, Motor is R25 and front suspension and steering is R21 only, gauges are R19. Rear end is not the same as Fuego so that only leaves the gearbox? If its a Manual you will love it they handle great and give fantastic fuel economy. If its a Auto check previuos posts on Renault autos for a idea

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    is R21 where they started putting in all those little electrical/electronic gizmos that play up when least expected.... ??

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    My R21 was a brilliant car in manual form.

    No major dramas from it and electrical problem I had was a minor repair to a/c wiring.
    Comfortable, roomy and very economical on fuel.

    Just bear in mind they are geting on in age now.
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    Don't touch an automatic 21....one summer of happiness if you are lucky given the age and average km. Expensive to reco
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    The Renault 21 is a great car. I know people in France that have them and they love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BogMaster
    Don't touch an automatic 21....one summer of happiness if you are lucky given the age and average km. Expensive to reco
    Depends on your definition of expensive. Relative to what these things are worth these days, than yes $2000 - 3000 for a new auto is lot. But its not obscenly expensive compared to a lot of cars of its era. Even a crappy old Magna will set you back around $2000 for a new auto.

    It depends on what you have to spend on a car - an R21 is a damn nice car for the $1500 odd you pay for a decentish one, and still a fair amount of car for the money even if you factor in a new auto. The rest of the cars are bullet proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob
    is R21 where they started putting in all those little electrical/electronic gizmos that play up when least expected.... ??
    No real electronic gizzmos in the R21. You must be thinking of the R25. The only electrical problem would be on the series 1 cars the heater slides overheat and melt the slide control slightly and cease to work. Series 2 cars carry the R19 style round controls for ventilation. They are a great car in so far as reliabilty is concerned when in Manual form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon
    Depends on your definition of expensive. Relative to what these things are worth these days, than yes $2000 - 3000 for a new auto is lot. But its not obscenly expensive compared to a lot of cars of its era. Even a crappy old Magna will set you back around $2000 for a new auto.

    It depends on what you have to spend on a car - an R21 is a damn nice car for the $1500 odd you pay for a decentish one, and still a fair amount of car for the money even if you factor in a new auto. The rest of the cars are bullet proof.
    Right on Haakon, if you have the facilities and some mechanical understanding you can do it yourself for a lot less.
    Also doubt you can get a recon trans for $2000 for a mitsubitarefallingoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon
    Depends on your definition of expensive. Relative to what these things are worth these days, than yes $2000 - 3000 for a new auto is lot. But its not obscenly expensive compared to a lot of cars of its era. Even a crappy old Magna will set you back around $2000 for a new auto.

    It depends on what you have to spend on a car - an R21 is a damn nice car for the $1500 odd you pay for a decentish one, and still a fair amount of car for the money even if you factor in a new auto. The rest of the cars are bullet proof.
    Come on H ...basically the auto is a pos. If you are going to run the car for the next 80-140,000km till the auto spits it again then maybe a rebuild is worth it. If you are buying the car because it's different and a nice idea then forget the auto.

    The other sad bit is that with different vehicles and in this case virtual orphans, unless you have or are willing to develop specific mechanical skills then you are at a disadvantage. Basically you have painted a twenty foot tall sign above your head which states "Please feel free to rip me off blind when dealing with my vehicle".
    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo
    Right on Haakon, if you have the facilities and some mechanical understanding you can do it yourself for a lot less.
    Also doubt you can get a recon trans for $2000 for a mitsubitarefallingoff.
    Forget it guys, the autos are duds. Replace the trannie and you still have a poorly supported orphan car, it's just probably cost you twice the original purchase price of the vehicle.

    Definitely not to be recommended to someone who is just looking to buy something interesting and who has not a lot of knowledge about keeping the things on the roll.

    As for the rest being bullet proof...think again. These cars are now older vehicles and they can develop quirky faults that are hard for the average Joe and sometimes for the better than average Renault specialist to sort out.......all of which spells money really. Back in france, Gaston at the local garage Renault would have a quick fix or would refer it up the line to the where that could happen. Here it seems to be hit and miss at $70 something bucks an hour.

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    There is a r21 being parted, out west,Parks I think.Has a working auto box.See trading post.
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    Had a look for that add but only one car for sale none for parts
    If it is Parkes thats good my parents live there
    can you include a link please

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    Default R21...manual or R19.

    Thanks 4 all the feed back on the 21...will have a look at a manual 21..and a 19...travelled a fair bit in a R20 and a R12....on those lonely roads from Hay to Balranald...the Nullabor..etc..had some special welding done on a 20 manifold...a coat hanger on the gear selector...which is still there....stretched the springs towing a pop up van...over a tonne from SA to Nthn NSW...replaced a hyd power steer hose...the aging stuff, but the Renault Gods have never left me out back, somewhere between a rock and a Ford wreckers...thanks heaps again for all the feedback much appreciated...Stevay

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    Quote Originally Posted by AU-YT
    Had a look for that add but only one car for sale none for parts
    If it is Parkes thats good my parents live there
    can you include a link please
    Would have done so before if I Knew how.Lets see if this works.
    V..No. How do you do a link??
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    Icon7 renault 21

    I own and drive my phase 1 21 as a daily driver I've owned the car for 2 years and it has proven very reliable even with the original MJ3 auto in it.
    The car's history was unclear and it had been neglected but nothing a little TLC and regular servicing wond'nt fix.

    The car gets driven to Box Hill from Berwick daily and gets great economy from a medium sized car in city traffic with auto ,aircond and 2.2 motor it usually runs at around 450K per tank.

    On the highway a great performer one tank from Berwick to Mildura packed to the nines (family holiday)and 110Kph average speed around 650 K's out of a tank.

    As far as parts go bit scarce on the ground here in Aus but thats part of the fun of owning something a little exotic and a great car to boot.
    contact me if you want any further info about these cars add to the thread. Andy

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    My manual one did 765 kms fully loaded on holiday trip no fuel saving techniques just highway speeds and full throttle for passing. I was happy with that.

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    My 21 auto has never let me down (Or my father) owned since new and still going strong. The transmission has never not missed a beat since new. Certainly not a power house when it comes to take off, but the ratios are great.

    However I have decided to wreck mine as the driveshaft is cactus ($750 ex France) and the r/h Strut tower has snapped (God knows how much).


    Offers considered for full vehicle. Will dismantle otherwise.

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    I have recently replaced both drive shafts and had them rebuilt locally for $150 each with new inboard and outboard cv's and boots they are really easy to replace on the 21 and it took around 4 hours at very slow pace to do both. Now that I've done it once I reckon now I could do both in around half of that time. as far as a strut goes Eurowrek in Geelong have a 21 and are finding it hard to move it's parts, they were great to deal with for some little items I recently required done over the Net and delivered to home.

    Why dont you try to keep this great rare car going! dosn't seem like much work to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy jnr
    My 21 auto has never let me down (Or my father) owned since new and still going strong. The transmission has never not missed a beat since new. Certainly not a power house when it comes to take off, but the ratios are great.

    However I have decided to wreck mine as the driveshaft is cactus ($750 ex France) and the r/h Strut tower has snapped (God knows how much).


    Offers considered for full vehicle. Will dismantle otherwise.

    Noddy jnr
    Noddy jnr,

    If you like the car & want to fix it why not contact the French Connection in Melb - I know Dave had a good 21TXE there a month or so ago (had duff auto), and I believe Haakon is wrecking one. I gather it was your dad's car - great guy - got a lot of advice on the R12 from him.

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    From carpoint on ninemsn.com.au

    I know the guy trying to sell it... and he is desperate to get rid of it.. he will take $1,500 (maybe less)

    It's a one owner car with a rebuilt auto 3 years ago and since then it's done about 1000klms.

    It needs a new front screen and a RHF indicator ASY and it is unregistered... a mate of mine was looking at it as a project for his son but it's on the Sunshine coast so you'd be looking at another $600 in tranport to Sydney (not sure how much more to Melb but has a conprehensive service history FWIW...

    Far too nice a car to wreck IMHO... but would make a great donor car for somone that has a registered R21 that needs work...

    Make RENAULT
    Model 21
    Series TXE
    Year 1988
    Colour White
    Body type sedan
    Fuel type Unleaded
    Transmission 3spd auto
    Cylinders 4cyl
    kms 166,000
    Miles 103,148
    Price $2,000
    Currency AUD
    Reference Code 0CP-075-2739
    Registration No. 059 AJZ
    Expiry Month 8
    Expiry Year 2005
    Road Worthy Certificate No

    Description
    Fuel Injection. Fitted sheepskin seat covers. Excellent condition. Registration is now expired. Great car - make an offer...
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    State Queensland
    Country Australia
    Suburb Mooloolaba
    Post Code 4557
    Phone (BH) (07) 5444 0011
    Phone (BH Alt) 0419 659 866

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