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    Default Guardian reviews the new Clio

    Today's Guardian has an entertaining review of the new Clio (once you're past the first paragraph which cites an ad campaign we never saw).

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    "Even a decade and a half later, the car's gameplan hasn't changed. The mission is to produce a hatchback that appears cute and cherishable in such a way as to make ostensible rivals - the VW Polo, for instance - look about as life-affirming as a single-drawer filing cabinet. At the same time, the design must be seen to stop well short of whimsy and the kind of nakedly ticklesome, nursery-frieze stylings that these days leave many cars of this nature looking like shrunken ice-cream vans....<snip>...Altogether, then, we are in the presence of that increasingly rare thing: a small car which communicates its appeal with a sly wink, rather than jumping up in full costume and giving you a 10-minute Coco the Clown routine. Somehow the new Clio manages to look light without seeming frivolous, and serious without being ponderous, which is a pretty agile trick for a lump of steel with headlamps on it."

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    Yet i have read another report which compares the clio against the new Fiat and says the CLio has lost its nimble feel and seems nothing more than a shrunken Megane. It's lost "something" in the incarnation.

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    yeah we better squash this rumour huh Mantra...

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    Suprise , suprise, ...who would have thought that Mantra would be the first to jump in with a derogatory comment....
    ..couldn't contain yourself could you!

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    I am surprised...he never mentioned the bloody gremans..vw
    Obviously there was no good points in teh article as far as some are concerned.
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    I am surprised...he never mentioned the bloody gremans..vw
    Don't have to.... fancy a Fiat building a better small car than Renault

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    are you sure it wasn't a comparison of the Clio II and the Fiat Punto?
    in fact, if you read it somewhere Mantra, how about a link or a scanned copy of the article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantra
    Don't have to.... fancy a Fiat building a better small car than Renault
    gee! someone's spots are showing clearly!
    just what the hell are you doing here? does this give you a hard on?


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    What you need to do folks, is ignore him, then he will go away. It's the recognition that he exists that gives him (it?) the hard on
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    Quote Originally Posted by mantra
    Don't have to.... fancy a Fiat building a better small car than Renault
    In who's opinion??? Yours what a joke
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    just what the hell are you doing here? does this give you a hard on?
    Are you projecting again Australdi??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantra
    Don't have to.... fancy a Fiat building a better small car than Renault
    There have been a lot of good comments about the new Punto - I'd suspect most here don't know much about Puntos.

    To give support to Mantra's claims, have a look at 4CAR's comments on the Clio. It's not saying it's a bad car, far from it - rather it's just lost a little bit of fun. Why is that so hard to believe - there are a good handful of Euro cars that have lost a little bit of fun in the latest generation (eg. 206, 307, Focus), as they've tried to become more sophisticated. Sounds like Renault folk are just getting to precious - why, is that because there have been ex Renault owners moving into Golfs

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    Just not that much fun to drive. Performance limited, and the steering uninvolving

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    Feels more than one step removed from the car it replaces. It's grown up, but for all the extra comfort and sophistication, a lot of the fun has been lost. Still, an impressive overall achievement, and one which should ensure the ongoing success of the Clio for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantra
    Are you projecting again Australdi??
    even if I were....it would still require a microscope!

    & it's not about being precious..it's about being heartily sick of someone who's only agenda is to knock. that sort of agenda is quite simply BAD MANNERS. & quite pathetic.
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    Mantra,
    the tribe has spoken, It's time for you to leave


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    There have been a lot of good comments about the new Punto - I'd suspect most here don't know much about Puntos.

    To give support to Mantra's claims, have a look at 4CAR's comments on the Clio. It's not saying it's a bad car, far from it - rather it's just lost a little bit of fun. Why is that so hard to believe - there are a good handful of Euro cars that have lost a little bit of fun in the latest generation (eg. 206, 307, Focus), as they've tried to become more sophisticated. Sounds like Renault folk are just getting to precious - why, is that because there have been ex Renault owners moving into Golfs
    All of the reviews are pretty good are far as I see.
    So they say they have lost a bit of fun.
    Isn't what the RCS is for?
    Most shopping trolley drivers will go for the sophisticated/safe/predictable over fun any day. To most drivers fun handling = more likely to prang, as most have no idea about such things as lift-off oversteer etc etc.
    I think they're right to leave the fun to those who like it.
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    I don't really see much constructive criticism from mantra, more like 'heckling' and being devils advocate.

    Mantra if you are going to bag renaults on this forum make your comments useful and based in fact, and some people may actually listen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu17
    All of the reviews are pretty good are far as I see.
    So they say they have lost a bit of fun.
    Isn't what the RCS is for?
    Most shopping trolley drivers will go for the sophisticated/safe/predictable over fun any day. To most drivers fun handling = more likely to prang, as most have no idea about such things as lift-off oversteer etc etc.
    I think they're right to leave the fun to those who like it.
    Exactly - why do people get so fussed. Some people would just be in love with mantra if he suddenly became the local Feugo poster child.

    To be honest, there are much more important things in life to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    Some people would just be in love with mantra if he suddenly became the local Feugo poster child.
    honestly.....he doesn't have what it takes to drive a fuego properly
    he would only reinforce the "hairdresser" tag. however, if he's your sort of guy, well go for it, what you do in the privacy of your own home is no-one elses bussiness
    as for here on this forum...he contributes as much as an ashtray on a motorbike
    If he didn't have such an attitude to run down every renault post, I'm sure we would all welcome his comments but on the basis of his history of posts...I have to question his pupose for being here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    Exactly - why do people get so fussed. Some people would just be in love with mantra if he suddenly became the local Feugo poster child.
    You're kidding right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mantra
    Don't have to.... fancy a Fiat building a better small car than Renault
    not in my widest dreams can I imagine it - honestly. Silly comment, I think.
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    so much for the Punto being a better car then huh....

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