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    Default Considering Renault Laguna II (second-hand)

    Hi all,

    This is my first post, so be nice to me LOL
    Anyway, I am considering getting a second-hand Laguna II.
    I have a few questions regarding this car, and hopefully,
    some Laguna II owners here can answer them for me.

    1) Should I get the 2L or 3L model? Apart from power and fuel consumption, what are the differences feature-wise? (Expression v Authentique)
    Only thing I hate about the Authentique are the black door handles

    2) If I buy second-hand, do I still get the free roadside assistance that comes with the warranty? On Renault website, it seems like its only for new Renault owners.

    3) All reviews I have read complain about the auto box, is it really that bad? Are there any software update that solved this problem? (Oh, btw, does the Expression get 5-speed or 4-speed semi auto?)

    4) For Renault owners in Adelaide, what are your experience with the only Renault dealer in Adelaide? Do they put prices up and treat you like a moron because you have to go to them?

    5) How expensive are the services? Which ones are the expensive ones?
    (I may try to find one that have just done those expensive services)

    6) Not really a question, but do you pull or push to shift up?
    (im hoping its pull down to shift up, thats the way it should be ;D)

    Thats it for now, thanks in advance.

    chris

    PS: Other cars im considering are IS200, 156 and Passat, but i think its a bit pointless asking for opinions here, right? LOL

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    If i were you i'd just drive them all (not just around the block but for a day) and then decide. All cars cost especially if you go to the dealer.
    If you keep the Laguna for some years it's probably the best value as they have depreciated a lot allready. Probably something to do with ignorance.
    I've been told by a family member who is thinking of getting rid of his troublesome Audi (V6)that the Laguna drives like a dream
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    1) For the money of secondhand Laguna’s, it'd be hard to pick anything but a Privilege or Privilege LX. They do have a higher spec that the other models, as well as having less black “cheap model” features. Stuff like Xenon lights, fog lights, more dead cow, speech synthesiser, electric front seats with more adjustment (like lumbar adjust) and ICE with a stacker etc etc..

    Two or three litre, basically personal choice really. You get more goodies with the V6. But you trade off city fuel economy and more expensive rego. Then again, whipping the 4 cylinder along at a fast clip would probably use fuel too. Take both for a spin and see which YOU like.

    2) Secondhand cars can have the extended warranty, but only if it is taken out when the car is less than three years old (from delivery) and the car is still covered by the new car warranty. The full details are here: http://www.renault.com.au/renault/af...cfkmdfkjdfml.0

    3) Again the auto box is one of those things that will either suit or it won’t. So it is a case of trying it out to see if it irritates, is OK, or one of those things you can tolerate. Taking the car for a decent drive will probably help decide. Opinions on here will be like what you read in magazines, opinions, so it is best to try for yourself :-)

    4) I’ve not got a car worthwhile for the dealer to service, but in the very few times I’ve bought parts for my old gross polluters, the service has been quite good. Fast and reasonably priced. I don’t think too many dealers in other marques would be so nice when dealing with 30+ year old cars :-)



    Also it may be worthwhile asking what cars the dealer has, either new or demo, I’ve heard that there are some good deals being offered. It may make buying new or demo very competitive as against secondhand.

    As for the others, Lexus VW etc, try them all back to back. The VW dealer is nice and close down the road, and Prestige at Walkerville always seem to have Lexus and Alfa’s.

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    I have a V6 Laguna authentique - very capable car and very economical both city and country driving. It is a real dream to drive in the country, and has plenty of power. Very comfortable and versatile. I have been told that the 2 litre model is very very economical on long runs and still has good performance on the road.

    Mine was quite low mileage and so far we haven't had to have it serviced. There were a few minor issues that were fixed by the dealer under warranty and I also went for the extended warranty, as like you I had all sorts of stories about transmissions. (Bit of scarmongering goes on I think!)

    There are plenty of bargains out there now and good deals to be had - dealers will give good extended warranty pricing if pressed, it is negotiable, but read the fine print

    The cruise control is a delight to use, the car looks good and stands out as something different and is a good driver's car, sort of like a grown up Fuego and a bit more sedate, but plenty of power from the V6, where it counts - perhaps that's why I bought it.

    Handles extremely well, but the adaptive transmission sometimes will change down with a clunk when you are idling downhill, but otherwise is easy to get used to - In speaking with Manuel transmissions (Thomastown) no problem if you change the fluid at recommended service intervals and fitting a transmission cooler later will extend the life of the transmission and prevent any problem from overheating in its old age.

    All and all a nice comfortable family car, with the best all round air bag protection you can get - might not mean much until you need it and then its worth its weight in gold

    I you want something a bit different and stands out from the others and is quite economical with both city and country driving and still has plenty of power to overtake smartly,then the V6 is for you.

    If you have your heart set on a Laguna, see and drive as many as you can and when you get the right one that suits you, sit back and enjoy

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    AFAIK, 60000 is the first major service for all non Sport Renaults. This means that the inspection of brakes etc while on the car at 30k kms is then a removal of calipers at 60k to inspect thickness of both discs and pads. All fluids except gearbox (at least on manual) are replaced. Aircon check over. All filters are replaced. If you want one that "old", then one just after 60k kms should be at least "cheap" to service for awhile. IE, the next service should be 90k and then if the discs/pads weren't replaced at 60k, they will be up for replacement almost surely. Of course, you might be up for some tyres too with those kms.
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    We bought a Laguna Privilege LX about two months ago. I'd echo pretty much everything else said here, both the good & bad (v. nice different car, g/box does sometimes do some unusual shifts). The fuel consumption on the 6 is quite low IMHO so I wouldn't personally go for a 4. But then, I was moving across from a '73 Jag XJ6 so anything, fuel-wise, will be an improvement...

    Note that, as per another post, the included equipment can vary a little from year to year (not just from Authentique to Privilege to LX), so if there's a particular feature you are particularly in love with make sure the car has it. And, some features just simply didn't make the Oz models; again, search for that thread too.

    Good hunting!

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    Hi Chris!

    Well, I bought an '02 Laguna Privilege with 22k on it nearly 2 yrs ago. It now has 60k on it so I guess I can offer some first hand thoughts based on actual ownership that will hopefully reassure you what a great car they are.

    To answer you questions :
    1) 2l or 3l? I compared both and felt that the 4cyl was more "sporty" whereas the 6cyl was a bit softer. Naturally there is a fair bit of difference in performance between them and the V6 is appreciably quieter IMHO.

    I have a hard time believing that in the real world there would be much difference in fuel consumption between auto 4 and 6. I get an average of 9.7l/100 km of mostly city driving but on a run the trip computer settles around the 6.6l/100km! (On premium).

    Also, I am lead to believe that the V6 is a Nissan VQ30 derivative and the auto trans is an Aisin unit (also Japanese - I can see the writing on the side of it). Apparently the auto for the 4cyl is made by Volswagen?? Others may know for sure but that is what I was told.

    2) I had a look at an authentique and went for the privilege as the authentique (at least in "02 model year) was a lower interior spec than the expression 4 cyl despite the price differential - what can I say, I like my toys!

    3) As mentioned, I bought my Laguna 2nd hand and the road side assist is a standard part of the manufacturers warranty. (only used it once when I flattended the battery)

    4) The auto box. Hmmm well, OK. The comment about the downshifts is fair. It has been programmed like that for a reason which is commendable (you quickly back off the juice and she'll the gear rather than shifting up) but in the real would I would still prefer a more standard thinking auto! What I find is that you have to anticipate when she'll go for a lower gear to avoid hitting the brake just at the same instant as a downchange occurs (especially going around corners in suburban streets) which results in a bit of a lurch.

    This can be easily overcome by switching to manual when decelerating and she just floats to a stop the same as any other automatic!

    The 5 speed auto only came with the V6. I have asked the dealer if there is a software upgrade / change availabe but apparently not.

    5) Cost of servicing. I've had every service to date carried out by a Renault dealer here in Brizzy. I have a choice of 4 within 40min of where I live so there may be a bit of competition but I've generally found the minor servicing costs to be quite reasonable (usually around $220).

    The first major service is at 60k and I've got her booked in on Monday for this but this time I'm trying the French Car Service specialist. They have been recommeded to me and I also see that they use Elf Oil etc which I find reassuring after reading what some dead heads can do with wrong grades (esp transmission fluid) due to ignorance. I'll post what the cost is!

    6) Which way to shift up in manual?? The wrong way! Forward to go up, back to go down! But you quickly get used to it!

    7) The other cars you've mentioned I have driven / considered when I was considering the Laguna. My thoughts:
    The Lexus is nicely put together but too small and only a sedan - I needed the practicality of a hatch. The Passat was OK size wise (still a sedan thaough) but unless you went into the top grade models the interiors where a bit sparse and lacked the welcoming atmosphere and safety gear of the Laguna. The 156 would be a close contender but at the time of purchase the Laguna was easily $10k cheaper which stopped me from looking any further than the 146!

    To sum up. The Laguna is probably the best car I have ever owned in nearly 30 years of driving and changing cars on average every 2 to 3 yrs (moved over from a Honda). It does have a couple of areas that could be improved (what car doesn't). But for the money, the combination of style, size, safety, comfort, economy and practicality is unbeatable. The toys I love - the key card, the voice synthesiser and the stereo are great conversation pieces.

    Enjoy your hunt and let us know what you decide on!

    Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by cckk

    3) All reviews I have read complain about the auto box, is it really that bad? Are there any software update that solved this problem? (Oh, btw, does the Expression get 5-speed or 4-speed semi auto?)
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    Hi Chris'

    First of all, I was a Laguna1 V6 owner for 10 years. I loved the car, for a '95 version since new it had everything I wanted, (ignoring Volvo, Nissan service).
    But looking at this forum, I always see the AUTO question coming up.
    Unfortunately it has not changed on the Laguna2, obviously you can over ride it on a Laguna2 in selective manual if you wish.
    However, once Volvo vanished from the Renault scene, telling me weird changes and big clunking noises are normal on the Laguna, I turned to Nissan
    at the time when they took over Renault sales and service. The box totally went into limb mode at that time and after a costly rebuild the Nissan/Renault dealer told me: we do not have the equipment and software to tune your transmission on your 6 year OLD Laguna, and I struggled for 4 years. I was still going to buy a Laguna2 Lx, but was told: FINI, no more Lagunas. No matter what auto I have now, beware and check how long Renault will support this AUTO, or the fuzzy logic might take you over.
    I am still a Renault fan, even though, I am driving something else at the moment, I hope Renault will a force in their own right in this country in the near future.

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    thx thx thx thx thx thx thx thx thx thx for all the replies

    well, im trying to get one below $20K, so I reckon it has to be second-hand and dont think I can get the Privilege model with this sort of money (although id love to)

    this vehicle will be used mainly for commuting, so im thinking the 4cyl model will better suit my needs if the features are same as the V6 models.
    (AFAIK, the Expression is actually better equipment than the Authentique, am I right?)
    (2nd hand 4cyl models are hard to find now, and i dont think Renault sells the 4cyl model anymore)

    i was going to test drive one today, but didnt 'cause of the bad weather here. sigh. cant wait to try one out and see what its like.

    i think the laguna is the best value second hand car in this class. as i said before, i looked at is200, 156, passat, s60, etc., they are all good cars, but no1 beats the laguna when it comes to what you get for your money.

    oh, Tony, dont forget to let me know how much you paid for ur service

    and thanks for everyone who replied to my post
    (honestly, i didnt think i will get much response here. but im wrong, this forum is full of enthusiastic renault fans! Do we have a renault club in adelaide?)

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    I have never driven a Laguna
    I have had 2 R25 manuals and maintain that they are a great drivers car. Sure it is really inconvenient not to have a working fuel gauge etc.
    I would be intersted to know how much better a drive the Laguna is compared to the R25. I see that some are going out as discounted demos - they would be a tempting buy.




    Quote Originally Posted by cckk
    thx thx thx thx thx thx thx thx thx thx for all the replies

    well, im trying to get one below $20K, so I reckon it has to be second-hand and dont think I can get the Privilege model with this sort of money (although id love to)

    this vehicle will be used mainly for commuting, so im thinking the 4cyl model will better suit my needs if the features are same as the V6 models.
    (AFAIK, the Expression is actually better equipment than the Authentique, am I right?)
    (2nd hand 4cyl models are hard to find now, and i dont think Renault sells the 4cyl model anymore)

    i was going to test drive one today, but didnt 'cause of the bad weather here. sigh. cant wait to try one out and see what its like.

    i think the laguna is the best value second hand car in this class. as i said before, i looked at is200, 156, passat, s60, etc., they are all good cars, but no1 beats the laguna when it comes to what you get for your money.

    oh, Tony, dont forget to let me know how much you paid for ur service

    and thanks for everyone who replied to my post
    (honestly, i didnt think i will get much response here. but im wrong, this forum is full of enthusiastic renault fans! Do we have a renault club in adelaide?)

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    Main North had Privilege V6 demo's in the paper yeasterday for $29.9K, I reckon with a bit of arm twisting and a promise you will take it off their forecourt you may be able to spin a bit more off. Alternatively see if thety have any 4 cylinder demo's.

    Pickles Auctions in Melbourne also have the odd 4 cy Laguna's in at fixed price too, just under $20K.

    http://www.pickles.com.au/servlet/Au...Criteria.html?
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    As mentioned earlier, expensive service is 60,000km. I had it done on my 2002 V6 a couple of weeks ago at a Melbourne dealer and it came in at about $675 all up. Next big one on the horizon is 100,000km at which point the timing and accessory belts are changed, expect total cost of about $1500 if using a dealer. All other services have been very reasonable.

    The gearbox....over three years I've had no issue with it, maybe I've just got used to it. But it does seem to reward smooth driving. My wife has told me more than a couple of times that the gearbox in my car "clunks" when she drives it. I say...it doesn't when I drive it. She says...well it does! I say...maybe you don't drive as smoothly as I do. At that point we agree to disagree.

    Just go for a decent test drive and see what you think for yourself.

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    Just to try to quantify the gearbox thumps a bit: it is not teeth-shaking stuff on ours, and I would suggest you may not spot it on a short/medium test drive, while getting used to a new-to-you car. However, the spots I see it are 1) if you go quickly from brake to accelerator to get away from the lights rapidly (box goes into neutral at a full stop and has to shift back into gear, obviously, before departing); you can get the revs up before the box engages and there's a thump, and 2) sometimes the box gets itself a little confused on, say, a decelerate-brake-turn-round-corner-power-away situation.

    Again, NOT teeth-shaking stuff, just not the hot-knife-in-butter smoothness one would now expect from a contemporary 4 or 5 speed auto.

    The thing we've found most difficult to get used to is the feather-light brakes, especially after the old-style Jag brakes. Probably our failing, not the Renault's, but the brakes do seem much more effective/sensitive at light pressure than some other recent cars I've driven.

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    Default The 60k V6 service!

    OK, so the first major service has been done! In short, perhaps not sooo bad $593 all up. This includes new air / oil (Elf) / fuel / pollen filters, new motor oil, new coolant, new brake fluid and front brake pads. This works out to about $120 cheaper than the dealer.

    Good luck with your car hunting!

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    thx tony. i guess $600 for a major service is not too bad.

    the (stock) laguna is a very nice car, and with this mod it looks even hotter
    http://www.psgbodystyling.co.uk/imag..._psg_new_f.jpg
    http://www.psgbodystyling.co.uk/imag..._psg_new_r.jpg
    (anyone got this bodykit in Australia?)

    well, i am looking forward to a test drive this weekend and then decide whether i can live with the auto box (i really like this car)

    oh, btw, im thinking, maybe, i can use a car spotter to find me a good laguna. ne1 here has experience with car spotters services? do they charge heaps? any recommended car spotters?

    thx again.
    chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cckk
    the (stock) laguna is a very nice car, and with this mod it looks even hotter
    http://www.psgbodystyling.co.uk/imag..._psg_new_f.jpg
    http://www.psgbodystyling.co.uk/imag..._psg_new_r.jpg
    (anyone got this bodykit in Australia?)
    You might want to look into a Commodore if that styling appeals to you ;-)
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