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    OK here something to beat your chest over RSC owners ... it caused a bit of stir in the WRX forums ...

    http://www.btinternet.com/~paulj.ewi...l/cupvswrx.WMV
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    I reckon Mr. WRX stuffed his gearchange...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa
    I reckon Mr. WRX stuffed his gearchange...
    Definitely, 1 second from 1st to 2nd... and his launch was appalling..
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    It does look like a rather bad 1/2 change on the WRX. But the Motor magazine WRX/172 comparison in 2001 only had them a hair apart over the 400 metres. So the 182 vs early (badly driven) WRX would be quite telling.

    A wins a win though as Stuart Bradbury would probably say :-)

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    Take no notice wee beasty, they are just jealous folk.
    'tis only to be expected from unenlightened ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by biologist
    Take no notice wee beasty, they are just jealous folk.
    'tis only to be expected from unenlightened ones...

    I would have thought the replies would be doing the RSC world a favour. Probably better than the RSC becoming a well known WRX beater and suffering the consequences of increased premiums from insurance companies. They are probably best kept as a quiet Q-car. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by biologist
    Take no notice wee beasty, they are just jealous folk.
    'tis only to be expected from unenlightened ones...

    I'm not jealous, I have no doubts about the Clio being a great car.. The first gear is very telling.. much longer than the WRX.. However, don't fool yourself.. the WRX was being driven very badly...
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    Joking aside, I don't think thats a 182 Clio.

    Its certainly not a Cup as its rims are sliver and they look like the 172
    five spoke rims to me as the 182 rims look much smoother when rotating
    as there is much less space between each spoke. Can't see if there is
    a dual exhaust out the back in the clip so that clue is out.

    Of course the Clio did get a great start, and once its moving they
    do accelerate darn quick, but heh, a win is a win, and its no wonder
    it caused a ruckus amongst the rex boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by biologist
    Joking aside, I don't think thats a 182 Clio.

    Its certainly not a Cup as its rims are sliver and they look like the 172
    five spoke rims to me as the 182 rims look much smoother when rotating
    as there is much less space between each spoke. Can't see if there is
    a dual exhaust out the back in the clip so that clue is out.
    I'm sure there was a Cup version of 172, it's just that we didn't get it here.

    Here are some pics of one.

    http://chrisharrison.smugmug.com/gallery/534854

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    I'm sure there was a Cup version of 172, it's just that we didn't get it here.

    Here are some pics of one.

    http://chrisharrison.smugmug.com/gallery/534854

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    Yep, thats a possibilty. Still if it is this model its still 10 bhp down
    on the 182 Boy I'd hate to be that rexy owner

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    Quote Originally Posted by biologist
    heh, a win is a win, and its no wonder it caused a ruckus amongst the rex boys cheers,
    You should have seen all the excuses the WRX boys came up with

    ... but yes I'd have to agree that WRX owner had NO idea how to launch his car, the WRX to 60 feet is one of the quickest cars around and unless that was a tricked out Clio there is no way it'd win. Poor Rexy driver.

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    I had a dig around in that directory and there are several other
    drag wmv files of the same Clio against two silver Mark 1 Clios.

    http://www.btinternet.com/~paulj.ewing/Crail/

    I suspect its a slightly 'warm' CLio as it really trounces the silver Mk1's

    Yeah, the rex fluffed it but the Clio did nail it as well, ran a 14.1.

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    Just checked some of the other wmv files and that driver dishes
    it out to another rex driver, in a grey subi. Not as quick a run as
    the one against the red subi but not bad. Seems that Clio driver
    is a bit of a dark horse at the strip!

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    I can see it next week .. all the RSC boys seeking out WRX's for "kills" (and all the WRX guys on the WRX forum wondering what's going on !!!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by biologist
    I had a dig around in that directory and there are several other
    drag wmv files of the same Clio against two silver Mark 1 Clios.

    http://www.btinternet.com/~paulj.ewing/Crail/

    I suspect its a slightly 'warm' CLio as it really trounces the silver Mk1's

    Yeah, the rex fluffed it but the Clio did nail it as well, ran a 14.1.

    cheers,
    Yeah, a couple of the www.ozrenaultsport.com guys did high 14's/15 flat at EC a few months ago. In standard 172/182's. 14.1 isn't a standard RSC, I'd suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC
    OK here something to beat your chest over RSC owners ... it caused a bit of stir in the WRX forums ...

    http://www.btinternet.com/~paulj.ewi...l/cupvswrx.WMV
    (get it while it's there).

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    v cool

    hope u don't mind have posted a link to this thread @ www.ozrenaultsport.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC
    the WRX to 60 feet is one of the quickest cars around.
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    True, but WRX's are only really quick to 60 foot if you have very little sympathy for the driveline (like motoring magazines) ...

    I was down at Calder about 2 years back (track testing day) and Motor Magazine was testing a WRX and an SS Commodore...

    I have never seen such an unrealistic launch of a road car in my life...

    I've seen people do it at the drags, and had heard that mags were doing it but to see it (and hear it) made me cringe (and I don't even own the car)...

    The sequence (as confirmed by the driver/writer Alisdair ???) was simple...

    Select 1st gear...

    Bounce of Rev Limiter...

    Side Step the clutch...

    Do owners ever launch a WRX like that in real life? If they do it often and the things stay in one piece I have an even greater respect for Japanese engineering...

    Can you imagine the loads being put through the drive train?

    Is it any wonder the WRX had (still have?) a bad reputation for driveline problems?

    If you look at the figures in real world terms there is no reason why a well launched Clio wouldn't run with a sensibly launched WRX all the way to the line every run...

    Clio Sport 182 ...tested by MOTOR magazine
    0-100 : 7.06 (I've read of 6's being run but for comparison this will suffiuce)
    1/4 mile : 15.1

    Subaru Imprezza WRX (168kw update) ...tested by MOTOR magazine
    0-100 : 5.8
    1/4 mile : 14.01
    NOTE: tested on different tracks on different days but with similar temperature

    From those (rather crude) figures the WRX picks up 1.2 seconds on the run to 100kph (due mainly to the umm...interesting take off method employed) but actually loses a fraction over the rest of the quarter mile...

    I think the power and torque to weight tells the story

    The Clio has more power/kg
    Subaru Impreza 8.3 kg/kw
    Clio Sport Cup 7.9 kg/kw

    The Subaru has more torque/kg
    Subaru Impreza 4.66 kg/nm
    Clio Sport Cup 5.2kg/nm

    I'd say a 182 would quite realistically run with/beat a WRX over the quater if normal 'clutch feed' take offs were employed...

    If the WRX was pre-165kw update then it'd probably be whipped...Hell, a 206 GTi 180 might even have a chance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    The sequence (as confirmed by the driver/writer Alisdair ???) was simple...

    Select 1st gear...

    Bounce of Rev Limiter...

    Side Step the clutch...

    Do owners ever launch a WRX like that in real life? If they do it often and the things stay in one piece I have an even greater respect for Japanese engineering...
    Yes, thats quite a common method, in fact of the several WRX's I have driven (their like ass holes here, every ones got one) or got driven in they take alot of abuse. But the g-box will eventually go. The standard arangement is good for only a few HARD launches before the clutch packs it in, thats what ussually lets go if not its a gear or three...
    I personally have put a WRX through EC track doing incredibly hard launches and it did it all day, but it did feel a little tired by days end. The owner took a photo of his glowing discs after my 3rd round, he was most imprest, so I didn't think I was hanging back 1:57's, not bad on street tyres.... ah miss my supersprint days. -Chris
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    From a roll on the WRX is not that quick.
    Its quick down the 1/4 as they have 1.8 or better 60' times if launched correctly.

    As for the rex launch in that vid...it was not great but it was not terrible either. It did bog down a little bit.

    Back in the days i used to outlaunch almost everything when driving the Mitsu GTO..only things that really gave me a hard time were Evolutions and GSR lancers. I still have not seen anything launch like my mates Evo5.


    Either way a 14.1 sec clio is damn quick..and im sure even if the wrx got a better launch the Clio would start chasing it down by 140kmph or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCPUG
    From a roll on the WRX is not that quick.
    Its quick down the 1/4 as they have 1.8 or better 60' times if launched correctly.

    As for the rex launch in that vid...it was not great but it was not terrible either. It did bog down a little bit.

    Back in the days i used to outlaunch almost everything when driving the Mitsu GTO..only things that really gave me a hard time were Evolutions and GSR lancers. I still have not seen anything launch like my mates Evo5.


    Either way a 14.1 sec clio is damn quick..and im sure even if the wrx got a better launch the Clio would start chasing it down by 140kmph or so.
    You obvioulsy haven't seen a Zx10R launch then, 0-100 in the hi 2sec, low 3 sec range...... yeehhaa come on man, getabike!lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    ...just squat and go!!!!!! - Chris
    Made a bit of a mess did it Chris?

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    ehh enough of the crocth rocket talk

    we talking bout street launches...not slicked tubbed BIG HP drag cars.
    fastest launch ive seen was some 7 sec funny car.......those things really put into perspective how slow our stupid lil frenchies are
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    Icon11 Or not..

    Them rexes can't really take the side-stepping clutch for too long... manager at my old work had a white wrx with a tricked out motor, which he used to punish on the way to work & back (weekends too, I wouldn't wonder...) went through either a gearbox every six months and a diff every four (he was alwayd bitching about the dodgy diffs)... dont even ask about the clutches...

    He went and got a late model skyline later on, did stupid things to the engine (ie boring out to within half an inch of its life, swapping the standard twin turbo for a single super with about twice the boost, various other bits n pieces), and last I heard, hasn't done a gearbox or clutch since (though one again, dont ask about the clutches)...

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    The WRX guy looks like he hit the limiter in 1st. Just look at the way the nose drops, like the brakes were put on, when the change is made to 2nd.

    Like it has been said, the RSC is a good one to run 14.1sec. Maybe you RSC people should be asking him about mods. Maybe it just has a small NO2 kit fitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan moore
    The WRX guy looks like he hit the limiter in 1st. Just look at the way the nose drops, like the brakes were put on, when the change is made to 2nd.

    Like it has been said, the RSC is a good one to run 14.1sec. Maybe you RSC people should be asking him about mods. Maybe it just has a small NO2 kit fitted.

    Totally agree, hit the limiter just before the gear change. As for the clio doing 14.1 I dont believe that is a stock car.
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