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    Default Just a few questions about 17's.

    Well, don't know if any of you remember my previous thread, but I have a 1977 Renault 17ts that has been sitting in a garage since 1992 (still has the rego sticker too!) that I want to get up and running again, as a present for the owner who is overseas at the moment. I belive that it is the only one of it's kind in Australia, so parts aren't going to be cheap. Pretty much all I want to know at the moment, is what size tyres to run (It has 13x195's on it at the moment, but I couldn't get the profile) and where to get them in Canberra? (I'd prefer Michelin...)

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    What size rims are on the car? If they are the original R1318 rim, they should be 4.5”x13, in which case 195 section tyres would be too wide. My suggestion would be 175/70 on the 4.5” rim.

    If it has 5.5” rims, 185/65x13 tyres would likely be the optimum size given no power steering etc.

    The only parts that are unlikely to be cheap/easily obtainable will be the unique Mk 2 body/trim parts, the rest of the parts are likely normal Renault parts bin stuff, so shouldn’t be too hard or expensive to to obtain.

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    The mark 2 version was a cheap version and used a lot of parts off other models, For example the steering wheel and instruments are series 1 R20 (I think) so parts may not be as hard as you think, just identifying them could be the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    If it has 5.5” rims, 185/65x13 tyres would likely be the optimum size given no power steering etc.
    Hmm, I'm pretty sure they are still the stock rims, the wheels are covered in dust, so I must have misread the width...but I was just having a read of the owners manual, it appears that this one -was- equipped with power steering? Or was it a foresight that never made it into the car?

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    Just found the pics you posted in this thread. Restoration - 17ts

    It shows that it has the stock 17TS R1318 4.5" rims, also looks like it would be one of the original Michelin ZX's on that rim too, probably 155x13.

    As for power steering, it was only available as an option on the LHD R1318's, so yours would still be manual steer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    Just found the pics you posted in this thread. Restoration - 17ts

    It shows that it has the stock 17TS R1318 4.5" rims, also looks like it would be one of the original Michelin ZX's on that rim too, probably 155x13.

    As for power steering, it was only available as an option on the LHD R1318's, so yours would still be manual steer.
    Yep they're Michelin ZX's. I guess i'm right in assuming that there is no way i'd be able to track down another set of them?

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    AFAIK, whilst the ZX is available in the Michelin Classic range, I think it is only available in the weirdo sizes of 135x15, 145x15 and 165x15. Also as the style is now more than 25 years old, being superseded by the XZX in 1979ish, any old stock in 155x13 size will likely be very old and not really suited for use. Best to choose something from the range of current readily available tyres, and as it won’t be from the Michelin Classic range it will likely be a lot cheaper too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selekta
    Yep they're Michelin ZX's. I guess i'm right in assuming that there is no way i'd be able to track down another set of them?
    Finding 155x13 may be difficult. You are probably better off taking Simon's initial advice on tyre sizes.

    If yu just must have a 155x13 tyre please note that K Mart is currently flogging Czech Barum 155x13 textile radials for around $40. Barums aren't a bad tyre, I have used them on 20's and 12's without any problems. Before you choke on your cornflakes at that prospect I'd have to say that you wouldn't have to go far to find a better tyre than the Michelin ZX....in this case just as far as K Mart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BogMaster
    If yu just must have a 155x13 tyre please note that K Mart is currently flogging Czech Barum 155x13 textile radials for around $40. Barums aren't a bad tyre,
    I think a nice 17TS is deserving of a better set of tyres, rather than a set of $40 Barum's. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    I think a nice 17TS is deserving of a better set of tyres, rather than a set of $40 Barum's. :-)
    Agreed Simon, they were also deserving of something better than the zx's in the first place.

    The sensible thing would be to go with the more modern profiles and find a good quality tyre that will suit the vehicle...which is basically what you suggested in the first place.

    On the cheapskate, east european quality at a bargain price, front 175/70 x 13 Barum "Brilliantis" Steel radials are $66 fitted and balanced at K-Mart. They really aren't a bad tyre I just bought another set yesterday. I used Barums on the last 16 I owned, the 20 that succeeded it and the now defunct 12 wagon I drove until recently.

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    Thanks all, I'm going to take Simon's inital advice though, 175/70/R13 Michelins, $94 each

    Now I have the problem of getting the new tyres on...I guess i'll have to use axle stands or something...would be alot easier if 17's came in Ford's '63 - '98 5 Stud pattern and offset!

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    If anyone knows of a 17 or 15 for sale I'd happily replace a fuego with one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selekta
    Now I have the problem of getting the new tyres on...I guess i'll have to use axle stands or something...would be alot easier if 17's came in Ford's '63 - '98 5 Stud pattern and offset!
    Take the wheels off the car (if it is not registered) to the place where you are buying the tyres from? Or am I missing something?? Don't try and stuff around fitting the tyres to the rims yourself, unless of course you have modern tyre fitting equipment in your garage.....

    At least the wheels have holes in the centres, it will be easier for them to be balanced. There shouldn't be any groans from the tyre place when you say they are from a Renault :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid
    If anyone knows of a 17 or 15 for sale I'd happily replace a fuego with one.
    Yes Dave and you know him too. Andrew at French Connection who you bought the 16 off has a very nice 17TS (Gordini) that he doesn't use often enough to justify the rego, its very clean, very original and he's just finished rebuilding the motor and the gearbox was recoed last year. He doesn't want to sell it as its such a great car but if the right person came along who could put it to better use he might be interested.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    Take the wheels off the car (if it is not registered) to the place where you are buying the tyres from? Or am I missing something?? Don't try and stuff around fitting the tyres to the rims yourself, unless of course you have modern tyre fitting equipment in your garage.....

    At least the wheels have holes in the centres, it will be easier for them to be balanced. There shouldn't be any groans from the tyre place when you say they are from a Renault :-)

    Hehe, I'm just having an indirect whine that I need to buy some wheel stands

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh
    Yes Dave and you know him too. Andrew at French Connection who you bought the 16 off has a very nice 17TS (Gordini) that he doesn't use often enough to justify the rego, its very clean, very original and he's just finished rebuilding the motor and the gearbox was recoed last year. He doesn't want to sell it as its such a great car but if the right person came along who could put it to better use he might be interested.


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    I saw that car at his place when i picked up the 16.
    Good looking car!

    I'd better start saving the pennies, the $20 I sell the Fuego won't go far.

    I should now be spending my money on giving my 16 longer legs with that TX.

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    Selekta,

    I’m just wondering if you could ask your Grandmother the circumstances of how she came to buy the 17TS. What I’d be interested in is if she went to Corin Motors and said “I want a 17TS” or if the car was just in the showroom and she bought it as the first owner.

    My reason for being nosey and curious, is that it seems a good opportunity to find out how Corin Motors operated in Canberra from someone who actually bought a car from them. Also it would give an insight if indeed the rules for importing cars not generally on the open market back then was different in Canberra where the various Embassy’s and Consulate’s are located. Corin Motors in effect exploiting a loophole to import different models. I’ve heard too many stories of oddball Renault’s being sold through the Canberra dealer, so forgive me again for being nosey.

    Often the stories behind the cars are as good as the cars themselves!

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    I would recommend Tyre Zone in Mitchell (62411823) for fitting tyres to older Renaults, as he has the equipment to balance them too. He is also a Barum agent, if you want to use that brand. He also stocks Continental tyres, not sure if they have that size for your 17. But if you want to buy Michelin tyres elsewhere, he is happy to fit them ( I have had him do that for my R12). I didn't like the Barums he fitted to my car previously, found them very slippery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renweave
    I would recommend Tyre Zone in Mitchell (62411823) for fitting tyres to older Renaults, as he has the equipment to balance them too. He is also a Barum agent, if you want to use that brand. He also stocks Continental tyres, not sure if they have that size for your 17. But if you want to buy Michelin tyres elsewhere, he is happy to fit them ( I have had him do that for my R12). I didn't like the Barums he fitted to my car previously, found them very slippery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    Selekta,

    I’m just wondering if you could ask your Grandmother the circumstances of how she came to buy the 17TS. What I’d be interested in is if she went to Corin Motors and said “I want a 17TS” or if the car was just in the showroom and she bought it as the first owner.

    My reason for being nosey and curious, is that it seems a good opportunity to find out how Corin Motors operated in Canberra from someone who actually bought a car from them. Also it would give an insight if indeed the rules for importing cars not generally on the open market back then was different in Canberra where the various Embassy’s and Consulate’s are located. Corin Motors in effect exploiting a loophole to import different models. I’ve heard too many stories of oddball Renault’s being sold through the Canberra dealer, so forgive me again for being nosey.

    Often the stories behind the cars are as good as the cars themselves!
    As I understand it there were some colourful characters involved in that dealership . I suspect that some of the South African assembled 404's that were about in the ACT came through there. I don't know where the legendary Mr Munn from Braidwood sourced his impressive collection of R5's from but it could be that they came that way as well.

    At least one of the past proprietors of Corin Motors, Faiz Rizvi (?), went on to briefly become a TATA dealer. Last I heard he was running a shop in one of the rural residential areas just outside the ACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    Selekta,

    I’m just wondering if you could ask your Grandmother the circumstances of how she came to buy the 17TS. What I’d be interested in is if she went to Corin Motors and said “I want a 17TS” or if the car was just in the showroom and she bought it as the first owner.

    My reason for being nosey and curious, is that it seems a good opportunity to find out how Corin Motors operated in Canberra from someone who actually bought a car from them. Also it would give an insight if indeed the rules for importing cars not generally on the open market back then was different in Canberra where the various Embassy’s and Consulate’s are located. Corin Motors in effect exploiting a loophole to import different models. I’ve heard too many stories of oddball Renault’s being sold through the Canberra dealer, so forgive me again for being nosey.

    Often the stories behind the cars are as good as the cars themselves!
    Hehe, It was imported as a custom order, however the person who requested it backed out of the deal at the last moment. My Grandfather owned Corin Motors.

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    Selekta

    Could you tell us a bit more about Corin Motors, if Grandpappy owned the company, please.

    My 1973 15TS has a Corin Motors sticker on it so any history is insightful

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid
    If anyone knows of a 17 or 15 for sale I'd happily replace a fuego with one.
    See previous post re R17 in Melbourne in Ferntree Gully its still there

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