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    Opinion of Fuego

    I've been looking around for my first car and for quite a while had my mind set on a Peugeot 505. My next door neighbour (a used car salesman) has got his hands on a nice Fuego which he will tidy up before selling.

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    I was wondering what you people think of the Fuego? Are there any particular years of Fuego to stay away from (eg. the 1980 Pug 505 tends to rust a lot more than the post '81 models)?

    Thanks for any help
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    IMHO, I think the best Fuego to look out for is the very last models (1986?) with power steering.

    Very welcome in a reasonably nose heavy car like the Fuego!

    I think, in general, the later the model, the better. I can't think of any particularly serious faults with the early Fuegos.

    Watch out for:

    Original wheels - these are metric tyre size (ie between 13" and 14"), you'll probabably want to swap them out for some nice 14" mags instead. Michelin TRX's are fairly expensive and quite a noisy tyre.

    Failing hatch struts - easily recharged - had my fathers done for about $60

    Wierd electrical gremlins - The tail light edge connectors can fail, usually a good clean up restores them. Rear wiper / demister failures usually are due to poor electrical connections through the aformentioned gas struts - which actually carry the current. Can be as simple as tightening the spade terminals by twisting the strut body!

    Interior trim - depending on where the car has been garaged, the trim can fall apart pretty dramatically - tops of the doors etc. Dash seems to last fairly well, but can "bubble" in places. Ventilation controls generally turn black. Gearknob leather cover falls off (I think Ken at Caravelle can supply a genuine new one) Seats can get saggy too. Electric window switches can fail, Caravelle can supply replacements, you need to check the failed switch pin configuration before ordering! Interior lights fall apart - French plastic :-)

    Engine - tough. Coolant expansion tanks can split, new ones can be obtained from Caravelle easily and cheaply.

    Gearbox - some people have had problems with synchros etc. My fathers car has never had a problem, it has done quite a few km's - mainly country driving.

    So there are a couple of things to consider!
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    Hi there,

    personally I have probably driven around 8 or 9 fuegos of varying ages/conditions etc and they jusst about all lose synchro on the 2nd gear so I'd watch out for that. Other than that, the carburettor (on the 2litres anyway) always seem to need carb kits, I have struck several that neded it. Once that was done tho' and some decent wheels and tyres you'll have something that looks newer than it is and still gets along OK too.

    Best of luck,

    Cheers Ben

    ps don't discount the 1600GTS vs the 2000GTX they both can/should go quite well.

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    In AUS there was only the choice of one model the 2 litre GTX.

    The synchro problem seems to afflict the pre 1984 cars more than the later ones but is easily checked. Rust is common in the front plenum chamber, it gets caught under the fibre board, rotting out the base, easy to see if it has rusted through from under the bonnet. Any car which has a bulge in the bonnet (fitted with the Turbo diesel bonnet)is likely to have been in a front end collision, so you may want to check carefully for accident damage. Check the radiator fans kick in, the connections can corrode leading to over heating. Make sure the motor has coolant and not water in it as it is an alloy block and head.

    Not too sure how common this problem is, but I've heard of it once and seen something which resembles the after effect on another car. Check the welding of the lower wishbone mount to the chassis rail, I've heard of one parting company, and seen the repaired welding on another car. Both cars were of a similar age, and possibly in the same batch, so it could just be an isolated problem.

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    Interested if anyone knows more about these dodgy wishbone mounts on Fuego's? Mine has a noise like a jam jar lid button clicking under very hard braking, and goes click again as the brakes are released. Went over all bushes and ball joints etc with fine tooth comb to no avail. My best guess so far is a body panel flexing under the load of heavy braking.
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    Well guys,

    my brother and cousin have been driving a pair of Fuego's for years. They go extremely well, infact they both thrash sh!t out of them. Freezing cold, running on full choke & they'll wind 'em out to 6000rpm down the street after pulling out the drive. They've taken this punishment for years with no problems.

    Troubles they have had:

    The lower door openings usualy have stress fractures in them.

    1 Blown gearbox (he was doing doughnuts in reverse at the time though )

    The alloy clutch cable bracket has broken a couple of times in my brothers car.... Traced to a different problem that I can't remember.

    1 Destroyed driveshaft. The rear mounting bolt that holds the gearbox in comes loose and drops the gearbox onto the driveshafts with rather spectacular results eek! eek!

    They'll suddenly start drinking fuel, and it's very difficult to find a reason why

    Sounds a lot but were talking over 15years of combined ownership here, of cars that are thoroughly thrashed & not serviced much at all

    My brothers is an 84 without power steering, after fitting 16" 215 45 profile rubber it's steering is as light as a power steered cars, and it corners like it's on rails evil

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    Too true, since i bought my Fuego in 97, all ive changed on it is the coil (i think that was my fault as i washed the engine bay when engine was hot). Other than that, hasnt missed a beat.

    The thing is, if you can manage, service the car yourself cos you get ripped if you take it to these 'renault specialists'. These cars are not that hard to work on. A perfect example would be when i was quoted $1,800 for replacement of bent valves and drive-belt (broke cam belt because it wasnt changed by previous owner unbeknown to me. Broke at just after recommended service (100,000 k) at 123,000 k). I did it myself for $250 and the Fuego workshop manual was included in that... tongue Cheap to maintain

    Also instead of buying the fuego oil filter (odd $30-$35) i buy filter that fits from another car and fits straight on for about $10. To think my mechanic used to charge me $150 per service...

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    renaulturbo:

    Also instead of buying the fuego oil filter (odd $30-$35) i buy filter that fits from another car and fits straight on for about $10. To think my mechanic used to charge me $150 per service...
    Phew, where did you buy those $30-35 oil filters from! Certainly a place to avoid!
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    Repco!

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    Repco = Ripped Off then :-)

    You can buy genuine for less!
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    After buying a Repco oil filter, I noticed that they have a rounded (tube like) gasket instead of a flat o-ring. I'm not all that mechanically competent, and I'm not sure if this could be a problem or not, but it doesn't look like it will seal as well as a normal one under high pressure and don't like taking chances.
    I use Ryco filters now. It's got a proper, flat gasket for less from the auto section at K-Mart. Even cheaper with Coles-Myer Shareholder discount

    Oh, way off the topic, I saw four Fuegos the other day, parked outside Melbourne Uni on the same stretch of road.....

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    I don't know you guys use non geniune filters, Purflux are cheaper and you know they fit, I've had lots off proplems over the years with ryco filters, mainly poor thread, we had a late Fuego in recently and I'd run out of LS 592A's so I ordered a ryco and really had to force it on and when I got the right filter in it was a big effort to get it off. Another local shop had a 505GR and had tried a couple of ryco filters before asking me how to stop them leaking oil, I said thats easy and handed him a purflux LS 152 and no more problem.
    As for Fuego's, the biggest problem is Fuego owner's, most are young hoons who thrash the crap out of them, can't afford to insure them because they are a European sports coupe so there not insured so there's alot of very poor body work getting around, lower wishbone mounts, yes I've repaired quite a few, mainly LH side for some reason, biggest pain mechanically is engine mounts, I recon you could break them just reving the motor and as for the front one under the radiator, I think the only reason it's there is to fail on RWC inspections.

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    Ive had cracked engine mounts in my Fuego since i bought it. It was on my Roadworthy list but when i returned with everything done (except mounts), the mechanic overlooked the cracked mounts and gave me the Roadworthy Certificate!

    The engine shakes like a m#@!$&[email protected]#$%# when idling. Somone told torque is lost through cracked/broken mounts. Whats the opinion on this question

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    Have you got dents in your bonnet yet?
    I've seen lots where the mounts are so bad the carby comes up and whacks the bonnet giving the bonnet an extra "power bulge". It's gotta do wonders for the perfomance and handling with all that weight shifting round.

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    As the Fuego was loosley based on the outgoing R15/R17 range, I often wonder whether the big ultra soft mounts were an attempt to reduce the "booming" that many reviewers complained about on the R15/R17...
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    Europa,
    My guess is your probably right, all the R16 type motors had a bad vibration about 4,000rpm, the R18 which uses the same motor and really serious engine mounts just to hide the vibration but the down side is they break and they are expensive, I think the Fuego has the same theory although the 2 litre is much smoother.

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    Thought u guyz could help me out
    Im Looking to buy a Feugo in a few months or so for University
    Must be avalible in Victoria (preferably Melbourne)
    Interested in any model, but will pay more for one with power steering(1986??)and non standard wheels.

    In descriptions please include...
    1. body/mechanical condition
    2. year/model
    3. history/service history (if avalible)
    4. wheels
    5. colour
    6. pictures (if avalible)

    Are there any out there?
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    <a href="http://www.autotrader.com.au" target="_blank">www.autotrader.com.au</a>

    Shows 5 Fuegos available in Vic at time of this message...
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    my dads(bless his soul) saying about Repco..."they couldn't recondition a wheelbarrow"....his other saying while removing a renault 16ts starter motor "#%^&
    french %*&@#%#%$...we should have let the hun overrun them....

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    These poor guys, they don't realise how easy they have it, R16TS starter??

    Mate, I'll send him down a Citroen DS23 injected pallas, fitted with an auto & air-con. He can 'change' the starter in that :p

    This would be the instructions

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    You are now left with the starter motor eek! eek! ie:you dismantle the entire car around the starter Rather like a CX heater core. to build the CX, they 1st hung a heater core from a bit of string in the middle of the factory, then procedded to build a car around it tongue

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    [QB]These poor guys, they don't realise how easy they have it, R16TS starter??

    Mate, I'll send him down a Citroen DS23 injected pallas, fitted with an auto & air-con. He can 'change' the starter in that p
    QB]
    The 505 STI/GTI suffers from the same starter motor accessibility problem, as well as a distributor accesibility probelm. My solution which I will be implementing on my 505STI:
    -rip out the STI engine and stick in a nice simple modified 2 litre pushrod carby 504/505 engine.

    Problem solved!

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    NOTHING beats changing the starter on a RHD DS, Dave.! I promise you. By the time you've removed the steering column, 2 piece exhaust manifold, underbody protection, sphere, high pressure pump, resonance damper etc etc you are ALMOST at the starting point of your real troubles!

    And that's just on a D Special!

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