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    I got myself a 1969 r10 a couple of weeks ago and wish 2 tweek it a bit. Its a great car, done only 80000 miles and has the original "daffodil yellow" duco which still shines.
    Is it worthwile fitting a webber carb. or would it be better to just drop in a 12 engine?

    Considering the car has such a small exhaust, is turbo-charging viable?

    Does any1 know about fitting wider rim wheels too?

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    As one of the most modified and competitive Renaults released in Australia, the R10 has great potential for performance and handling modifications. I would be surprised if you were not inundated with responses from current or past owners of these great cars.

    As such, much of the advice may leave you wondering which is the best solution. I have owned a R10 from new, and this car has been both original in specs, then warmed up, and then detuned again. One of my son's spent a lot of money on his R10, turning it into a very reliable and fast car.

    In a nutshell, I would not spend too much time warming up the 1108cc engine with 80,000 miles. I would seek out a R12 engine (1289cc preferably), and find out what you can afford or want to do. The engines respond very well to improved breathing (extractors, Lynx manifold for a Weber etc), or alternatively extractors and the R12 manifold with the twin throat downdraught Weber.

    The additional benefit is having the larger R12 clutch to handle the extra torque. Depending upon your gearbox type, you may need to get a The standard R10 radiator will handle most power mods for a R12 engine. Mild to wild cam options exist also - personally, I prefer the less wild sports type which make the car a very pleasant open road tourer.

    Wide wheels are also available, either through the trading post or from Colliers Automtive in Sydney. Early wide wheels (13" diameter) are OK, but you need to have the front brake calipers slightly skimmed. Later wide wheels (14" diameter)eliminate this problem, plus give a bit of ventilation to the brake discs.

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    For some reason my reply got posted before I finished typing the rest of the information.

    I have just noted you are from Melbourne. I have a brother (Mal) who runs DEYMO PARTS in Greensborough,and who is also very knowledgeable about these (and other) Renaults. Also, he will probably have everything that you will need, from extractors to wide wheels etc. Give him a call.

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    R10,

    Do you have an 18 wagon in your front garden too? Was in Melbourne the other week and saw the yellow 10, I would have been tempted to stop there later on to see if the 10 was being sold but it had gone. Good to see a Daffodil Yellow 10!

    Previous advice is correct, it is relatively easy to fit a 12 motor and your car being a late 10 may have the later gearbox with the roller thrust bearing as opposed to the earlier carbon thrust. This makes it easier to use the 12 clutch, otherwise you have to swap the flywheel and use the 10 clutch or adapt the carbon thrust clutch linkage to suit the 12 clutch.

    Water pump will have to be swapped with the R10 pump to retain the heater, and a temp guage will have to be installed or the 10 temp sensor bolted in a similar location as on the original motor.

    The 12 inlet/exhaust manifold can be retained, but an exhaust will need to be fabricated to suit. A 10S aircleaner can be used on the 12 Weber carby. Otherwise find a 10S inlet and exhaust manifold to retain the original 10 exhaust. Use the 10 generator/alternator brackets on the 12 motor.

    Wide 13" or 14" 10 wheels are getting rare, perhaps try Alpine Affaire to see if they have a set. But the Michelin 145x15 XZX tyres are still available around $100 each so it isn't too bad for the fun factor.

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    Simon.

    How can you tell from looking at the gearbox whether you have the right gearbox to mate up to a 1289 or 1.4 block?

    I have a gearbox which is supposedly from a 10S. I want to put it up to a 1289cc block. Looking at the box, it looks like the old style (doesn;t have the square plate and four bolts underneath). The tag says type 330. How can i tell if someone has changed the bellhousing to suit before I rip the old gearbox out of the car?

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    Eastern Wheels in Power Rd Bayswater Vic made my 14" x 5" wheels for my R10 using R16 centres you could use your 15" centres or they have a pattern for custom plate centres with 3 twin spokes
    if your interested i have 2 pic's of a supercharged 1108 using the toyota s/charger i've used on the TS motor don't go to mad though i just broke my diff about to convert to R16 front end with Fuego 5 speed g/box into my R10
    if anyone is interested in the pic's i'll put them on my web site
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    What's you url Damien? Sounds great stuff

    if your interested i have 2 pic's of a supercharged 1108 using the toyota s/charger i've used on the TS motor don't go to mad though i just broke my diff about to convert to R16 front end with Fuego 5 speed g/box into my R10
    if anyone is interested in the pic's i'll put them on my web site[/QB][/QUOTE]
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    Hey Simon the car you saw was mine. The green 18 int the front yard has been retired since it was rear ended. (By a japanese car might I add!)

    I bought the 10 off a guy who used to service it for and old lady. When she passed wawy, she left it to him in her will. The owner then preseeded to neaten it up a little bit for his daughter's wedding and then covered it up in his garage for the next 8 odd years. when i saw it, the car was covered in dust but a peep to the interior said enough. The back seats had never been sat on and you could easily thing the same about the front seats too. Put simply the car was an AWESOME find.

    On checking the compression it was 2 psi down on the figure provided in the manual, the engine is like brand new!! However I'm only getting about 30 miles/gallon, when it should easily get 40. Does anyone knowwhere to get some spark plugs, coz I sure can't find them? I have a feeling that the engine may be a bit carboned up (All those years of being putted around to play bingo I think) but I am travelling to Warnambool next week so a good trashing should do it come good. Any other tips on how 2 improve economy/preformance in this way?? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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    hi bogmaster,
    URL is listed on aussiefrogs but here it is anyway <a href="http://www.geocities.com/blownrenault/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/blownrenault/index.html</a>
    i'll scan the pics of the blown 1108 R10 and also try for a pic of the custon centre wheels should be available later today under "other peoples cars"
    Health and good fortune always,
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    Hey Rich, sounds like a good find. However, I hope you meant 'thrashing' and not 'trashing'!

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    Your car sound to good to modify (if thats possible) I'm a bit of a purist and I like to see original cars preserved in there original form, of course it's your car do as you like but I'd rather see one that original put on CH plates and on display at club displays.
    By the way, it takes NGK BP6HS spark plugs, I have them in stock but you should be able to get them any where.

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    R10, I agree with David in keeping it original.
    That car sounds incredibly prestine.
    Maybe you could find another one that you could play with & keep that one as a heirloom?
    Man, I'd love to find an R4 Fourgonette like that.
    Me thinks you are "messing with the gods" on that one
    Just my 2Ę

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    Not my business, but I'd agree with a couple of comments above. Sounds like a rare example of a nice un-messed-up R10.

    Not many left in original or well-restored condition - please consider finding another to play with and keep that one for posterity. Even if posterity doesn't seem to care! Renault 10s are at an "unfortunate" age, not yet valued much.

    20 years ago I could barely give my 750 away but now it turns heads wherever it goes. The same will apply to Renault 10s in a few years. R8s seem to be nearly there.

    It's yours of course, but that is my opinion anyway.

    Good luck with it.

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    Hi R10,
    If the motor is coked up remove the air cleaner start it up run it up to about 3500rpm and slowly pour half a cup of water down the throat of the carby (I DID SAY SLOWLY)
    THIS CLEANING IS ONE OF THE PLUSES OF WATER INJECTION nice steam cleaned internals. Of course the state of the plugs is a good indication
    Health and good fortune always,
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    There is an article on water injection on my web site <a href="http://www.geocities.com/blownrenault/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/blownrenault/index.html</a>
    written by Robert Mann about tests done on several vehicles including a R10 with good boost to fuel economy & power. Click on his name on the water injection page for the link to the story
    Health and good fortune always,
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    R10,

    The easy way you can spot the late gearbox is if the cover bolts on underneath. From your description it sounds like it would be an earlier gearbox with the carbon thrust bearing and triangular thrust pad on the clutch pressure plate.

    Personally I too would like to see the car kept original and pristine in its Daffodil Yellow, but swapping the motor and changing the wheels are unlikely to ruin the car as long as you don't try and emulate The Fast and the Furious!

    With the fuel consumption problem, check the needle and seat in the carby, these seem to be a notorious problem on 10's.

    As for tidy R4 fourgonettes, anybody have any pics of 1960's Renault R4 service vans? Just planning my next project.

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    A couple of things.

    1. I have an R8 with originally a graphite thrust for the clutch.

    There is an intermediate clutch combo with a needle roller thrust that fits the early thrust fork - Jim Bush Automotive in Adelaide gets kits of clutch plate, pressure plate and thrust from "Adelaide Brake and Clutch" that fit straight into the early cars. The clutch thrust bearing has the same dimensions as the graphite unit. I have done it so it works!! So much for Christmas 2000-1.

    2. There was an R4 service van in Adelaide 10 years ago but Bruce ? who owned it died suddenly. It is just possible that Tony Good (Goode) knows where it is as he helped clean up the Renault collection after Bruce died. Tony had mechanical repair business in Glenelg then - if you can't find him email me or reply with a request and I'll have a go at finding him for you.

    Cheers

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    Just received this via email....
    Thought this might be appropriate here given the topic discussed

    I have asked the author for price & colour of the car...

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    Hi there

    I wiuld like to sell my Renault 10 1968 model in original condition. It is a lovely littel car and sadly I have no further use for it. It has done less than 60,000 miles and never misses a beat. I am not sure of the best way to do it, as I would like it to go to a good home and thought someone in a club such as yours may have a few clues.

    I can be contacted on (07)54 739460 or 0409 995564. email is [email protected] and my home address is MT COOLUM QLD 4573.

    Thank you

    Cilla Gault

    [ 24 March 2002: Message edited by: gibgib ]</p>

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    Replying to John's message:

    1)Does that pressure plate have the metal triangular thrust pad on the pressure plate? My 8 has a roller thrust, but it still has the early pressure plate with the thrust pad over the diaphragm. The roller thrust would be a direct replacement for the carbon thrust, but would not suit the 12 pressure plate without the triangular thrust pad on the diaphragm.

    2) Bruce Porter's van was four vans before mine in the ovalplate no.. It was a proper Renault Aust service van with the odd Renault Aust. interpretation of the 1959 Renault diamond (squat rather than tall letters in RENAULT). I'm not too keen about the official orange colour, although it would have been the real thing, I was hoping there would also be a yellow version in Europe :-). Bruce's van went to Tony Goode, then onto Clem Minge, and now belongs to someone else, I don't think anything has been done to it though.

    Just sprung to mind from my Melbourne trip, for those who are interested in buying a 4 Van. Steve Kalenderian is selling a four van project with a 5 Alpine motor, "cheap to good home" was written on the advert at Caravelle Imports phone Ken at Caravelle Imports in Melbourne for Steve's contact details.

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    Isn't it amazing what goes around, that 4 van of Steves used to be ours, we bought it off Alpine Affaire about 100 years ago as a bare shell that they had no time to finish. We fitted the 5 motor and box and then it sat in our corner for years untill finally someone else with big ideas came along and bought it off us. It than sat in his corner untouched more many years until Kalenderian came along and vowed to finish what he started all those years ago, so now its done the full circle someone please buy it and finish it. It's probably done more miles on the back of trucks and trailors than it ever did on the road.

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    <img src="graemlins/8ball.gif" border="0" alt="[8 Ball]" />
    Thanks for the advice dudes.

    I think I might put in a 12 engine and get a custom exhaust made up, keeping the 12 manifold. But I wont put on any lary wheels etc...
    The yellow R10 seems to act like a chick magnet, its AWESOME!

    The 10 only has the 2 engine mounts where I think the 12 uses three but am unsure <img src="graemlins/question.gif" border="0" alt="[Question]" />

    I am interested in the different clutch, my 10 has the carbon clutch, but can't find any 10 clutches what so ever (though im yet 2 check out caravelle spares)
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    Oh pleeze, come on, a yellow R10 a chick magnet? What sort of chicks, yellow ones with feathers that have an identiy crisis??

    Look at an R10 and 12 motor the rear carrier bolts to the same place as on the R10 and 12 motor. By mixing and matching the components it all bolts together.

    See Caravelle for clutches.
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    <img src="graemlins/8ball.gif" border="0" alt="[8 Ball]" />
    No Really
    The car does attract women
    I do keep it shiny & clean, but maybe you are right... The women are obviously attracted to me, not the car. (How silly of me!!) :
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    Does any1 know where 2 get some mud plaps for my r10.

    Also, Is it worthwhile putting some weights in the bonnet/front luggage area? The other day i had to haul the car up in a hurry and the front end broke away, it was wet of course. Whould the xtra weight or even lowering remedy this?
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    A funny story. I left my lights on over night and had to use the crank to start the car. THis took a few gos to strat the car, in which time half a dozen joggers stopped by my driveway to gawk. As i pulleed out of my drive one of them said that it was the funniest thing he had seen in ages. (I guess i made some1s day!)
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