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    Hi guys,

    Bloody me again! Any preferences out there for brands of shock absorbers (specifically R12)? Are Monroes alright? I've had reports of Monroe Gas shocks raising the front, and I certainly don't want that - even more positive camber! However, the Alliquants are double the price...

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    Incidentally, the biggest and best known suspension place here in WA reckons they don't do Renault fronts because of the hazard removing the springs - they send them to a Renault dealer!

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    Stuey,

    Good question. There are more than one dimension of front shock absorber - the location of the spring mount "flange" on the body of the shock absorber - which may explain any change in height reported for a particular type - that means it may be the wrong one for the particular R12.

    I've had Konis on my R8 since the mid 1970s and they are still perfect. Doesn't get better.

    I have some (unfitted) Konis for our Virage but haven't yet worked out whether they are the right ones. Have you tried to get any Konis??

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    Yeah,

    that's right, my brother took his fuego upto the local specialist here to see if it could be lowered. The head guy wondered over as soon as he saw it was a fuego to tell them they didn't want to touch it Apparantly they'd had one in before, they weren't game to touch it, reconned it was amazing no-one was hurt last time the touched a Renault. It looks like this tiny little spring, but it's so bloody huge once removed, it was deadly.... :p :p
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    Hey Lads

    Yea I had the exact same problem. I recently vistited a steering and suspension place to try and get my R17 droped a few inches, and as soon as I said the word Renault he had a worried look on his face and did'nt wanna go there.

    Yea if anyone has r17 Koni shocks I'd be willing to take em off ya hands.

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    Howdy,

    John, no I haven't tried Koni - I just assumed that they'd be too expensive. I'll look into it.

    The guy at WA Suspensions actually mentioned Fuegos as the worst. One Renault mechanic over here reckons he'd seen the fender almost ripped off a 12 by a spring accident. Funnily enough, the closest Renault mechanic to WA Suspensions(Euromotive) tells me they farm the job out to a suspension place...

    Gutless [email protected], all o' them. I'm just gonna get the gas axe out and then re-weld the spring when I'm done.

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    I think there all wimps. renault springs are easy, I've done millions of them. You won't get Koni's Stuey, there no longer available, best keep an eye out for s/h. The good part about Koni is that they can keep rebiulding them so there really the last pair of shocks you'll ever need to buy. I want to take my 17G off the road to get its Koni's rebuilt but the problem is I'm using it every day, if it wasn't so much fun to drive and if it wasn't so reliable I'd probably spent more time on it.

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    I agree with David re the ease of doing the Renault springs. I would add though, that if you do not use the correct spring clamps (or equivalent), then an accident is not far away.

    Koni shocks have a great reputation on Renaults, and if you intend to own the car for a while, then the expense is worth the effort. Ken at Caravelle Imports in Melbourne can also supply a range of shock absorbers for most models.

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    I must admit I'm a bit surprised at the casual nature adopted by some people to the dangers of 12/15/17 front springs! Near and severe accidents have happened and some people have lost at least fingers when things have gone wrong with these springs due to incorrect, damaged or poorly engineered tooling being used. They are best left to the experts who have the appropriate tooling in good condition available for use, certainly not a K-Mart spring compressor.

    The uncompressed spring is nearly a metre in length, so consider the potential force available when you view it under the mudguard of a 12/15/17. Without the appropriate tooling for the front springs, it is a case of don't try this at home folks!

    The Fuego is a different thing again though, having shorter springs which do not present as severe a danger.

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    Simons right about the dangers of those front springs, but its like most jobs we do on our cars, if you think about it and go carefully there is usually know problem. 25 years ago a wrecker I knew used to stand on the engine and oxy cut the top of the shocker tower off and when he heard them start to give way he'd dive off the other side, pick himself up and go next door to the vacant yard to retreive the spring.
    The point is, working on cars is dangerous, a friend of mine lost her father because he did the one thing were all taught not to do, he dove under a car to do a 2 second job while it was on a hydralic jack, but if you take the correct safety mesures than most jobs become easy.
    I've done plenty of these, I have the right tools and to me its very easy.

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    Resurrecting an old post...what brand are the original shockies on an R12 (Alliquant?) and are these likely to be better than, say, Monroe? Or if I can't get Konis, should I just go for Monroe because they'll all be much the same? All input appreciated...

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    Reading all this is a bit scary. What is the front suspension like on the R19. I know on the rear it is torsion bar suspension..

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    Well I went to see a Guy last week about my suspension set up, and he wanted around $1600 for lowered coils on the rear with Fuego Konis. Up front he was going to get the springs custom made, but then he sugessted Coilovers which got me excited. For a wee bit extra, I can get fully adjustable coil overs which would be unreal.

    Im still deciding at the moment. Its a bit of money to spend on a 17.
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    It is only the Renault 12/15 and 17 that have the potentially deadly metre long front springs. The Fuego front spring is much shorter and not as potentially deadly.

    Stuey:

    The OE shockers in a 12 are Australian made Monroes.

    Reno 17:

    What do you want to do with your 17? The coil over mods sounds like a great idea, but unless some competition is envisaged I reckon it could just be an expensive way of modifying the car for little extra benefit on the road at the expense of reduced road comfort. I would seriously want to find out more before going down the coil over road too, as to the length of the springs tensions etc. Also I would imagine the shocker towers would require strengthening as there would no longer be the big original spring to spread the load on the tower top plate. Make it too stiff at the front though and it'll handle like a pig.

    You mentioned in a previous forum topic something about being close to getting an 8G any further details as to which one and if you bought it?

    I reckon the $1600 suspension cost would be better put to that or a near 5% contribution to an RS Clio!!

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    Simon,

    I phoned the guy at Eurocars (orininal dealers for the 12, and sold my car originally) over here today (before I read your post) and he reckons that Alliquant were OE on the 12. Must be having me on..

    So, Caravelle have a German brand called Record for about $80fr, $70rr, Alliquants from Eurocars are $100/82, and Monroes are $125/95. The dudes that quoted on the Monroes want $250 to fit the fronts - I'll do the rears mesel'.

    Edit: Oh and Ken from Cara' reckons that the Aussie 12 only had one spring height on the front

    Have to have a think.

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    Stuey,
    There is a tool that bolts into the inner guard and holds under the spring with a piece of booker rod going up to the top of the tower to hold it all in place. This is only for shock changes. You will see a plastic grommet where the rod goes through. Takes about 20mins each to change.
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    If you want to go exotic...Mecaparts france list performance shocks for the 12 Gordini a_drink
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    Hi All

    I have a set of bilstein shocks fo a R12. The front shocks have hieght adjustment by means of a large circlip that sits just under the lower spring holder. It wouldn't take much engineering to make up some sort of hieght ajustment. Would be cheaper than coli overs.

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    Stuey,

    Tha Allinquants probably would have been OE on the very early 12's (pre 7/71) and possibly some of the very late ones (about 1979 onwards) which may have been fitted with imported parts, and Allinquants would be the ones listed in the 12 parts book which don't list the parts that were produced locally and fitted in AUS. But all the 12's I have seen that have the original shockers (with red paint spot on the top nut) have been Aussie Monroes. So Eurocars may not be totally having you on.

    There was only one spring height on 12's but some springs were locally produced and some were imported. So the temper could differ between springs. One other thought, being such a long spring, if it is taken off the car it would probably "uncoil" marginally, when replaced it would then have to settle down again.

    As a check, measure the distance between the spering seat on your current shockers and those you can buy (if they have them in stock!!) that may give you an indication of whether it changes. I have heard of 25's having different shockers, the longer replacements giving the 4wd look at the front!

    Probably best to get the fronts fitted by "experienced people", even if it does sound a bit pricey. Better than playing around with home made tools and possibly having a little accident!

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    Thanks all!

    Alan - is that tool a Renault special tool? Sounds interesting - I've seen the plastic plug you're talking about. Sounds like a good idea!

    Simon - correct spelling? Allinquant? I've never seen it written. BTW I probably will get it done and let them knock their head off rather than me but if I could get that tool Alan speaks about......

    Finally - Col, sounds like your Bilsteins aren't fitted to a car - are they for sale?

    (my shocks are actually OK I think, but all four of them knock like hell, especially when cold)

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    Hi Stuey

    The Bilsteins aren't on a car at the moment & sorry they are not for sale. They are for a R12 wagon that I'm going to build up. I also have a set of competition stabalizer bars to go with them and also a set of after market springs.

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    Stuey:
    Thanks all!

    Alan - is that tool a Renault special tool? Sounds interesting - I've seen the plastic plug you're talking about. Sounds like a good idea!

    Simon - correct spelling? Allinquant? I've never seen it written.

    (my shocks are actually OK I think, but all four of them knock like hell, especially when cold)
    Yep, that is a special Renault tool. The threaded rod pops through the hole and supposrts a plate which fits below the spring plate that bolts through the strut tower.

    Allinquant is the correct spelling.

    The cold rattle is normal. It seems to affect every 12 I have known with the Monroe shocks! If the shocks are effective, and the rattle is not too annoying, probably best to leave them in.

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    Stuey,
    Yes it is a Renault special tool, but a reasonably competent person could make one in less than an hour.
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    Let's hope that "reasonably competent" persons creation doesn't start giving way just as the shocker is removed!! 12 springs are not to be taken lightly!

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    Thanks again. I'll have a think about this special tool. My fabrication skills are second to none. eek! eek!

    The threaded support rod is a single rod, I take it?

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    Hi All

    I have made up my own special tool for removing the shocks. It is along the lines of the factory set up. I have been thinking about designing a tool to actually remove the springs and replace them but haven't worked that one out yet. I have a few ideas. And yes my home made tool removes and replaces shocks and is just as safe as using the factory item.

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