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    I know many lesser volume cars and original "upmarket" cars can vary greatly in price as they age and you can buy a Pug 504 for $300 that still runs or $10,000 + for one owner low mileage in exceptional condition.

    Fuegos however seem to be very cheap for a good handling, reasonably attractive, sporty 2 door with air, power steering, 5 speed, good performance for capacity and with reasonable parts availability.

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    How would you value a good Fuego that you would probably have to spend $500+ on service including all belts etc but with good body, pro repaint about 3 years ago, TRX tyres with at least 50,000ks left, needs good clean up internally with seats needing internal repair but drives well and one family owner?
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    If it is in good, original condition i would offer a grand... If the seller knows what they are dealing with they would take it!

    If it had been tweaked and improved, perhaps with aftermarket wheels and tyres it may be worth more, but i would be very wary of paying too much for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by al
    If it is in good, original condition i would offer a grand... If the seller knows what they are dealing with they would take it!

    If it had been tweaked and improved, perhaps with aftermarket wheels and tyres it may be worth more, but i would be very wary of paying too much for it...
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    not offer a grand, unless I was scared of insulting them,or it had a years rego and a full tank of gas and a whole lot of extra goodies.I am not a fan of Resprayed fuego's so value lost there.I love sunroofs so lost value there.TRX tyres....big negative.Without seeing the car,I'd say $500 would be more on the mark,maybe less,as you should be getting rid of those bloody scary TRX. Air con retro fit and regas ???????$200 +.Sorry to come across as a cynic.I'm sure it is a good car,but If you dont buy it for a grand,I'm almost positive no one else will.
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    I'd agree with what has been said above. Those TRX's unless the age can be verified would likely be past their useby date, the sidewalls on those tyres seem to suffer from age related cracking much worse than any other tyre, in addition to their other disadvantages such as noisy running and minimal grip again age related.

    Lots of other questions as such as why it needed a respray, service history, k's etc. With a scruffy interior it would likely be like many other Fuego's on the market, possibly even worse as the bodies seem to survive well on most cars apart from the odd ones with a rusted rear hatch frame, rusted plenum chamber base or rust around the front screen rubber. Also if it needs work for a roadworthy that would be the killer. Just think of Al's car it looks quite good in the pics, sounds like a nice service history, but there are apparently no takers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    I'd agree with what has been said above. Those TRX's unless the age can be verified would likely be past their useby date, the sidewalls on those tyres seem to suffer from age related cracking much worse than any other tyre, in addition to their other disadvantages such as noisy running and minimal grip again age related.

    Lots of other questions as such as why it needed a respray, service history, k's etc. With a scruffy interior it would likely be like many other Fuego's on the market, possibly even worse as the bodies seem to survive well on most cars apart from the odd ones with a rusted rear hatch frame, rusted plenum chamber base or rust around the front screen rubber. Also if it needs work for a roadworthy that would be the killer. Just think of Al's car it looks quite good in the pics, sounds like a nice service history, but there are apparently no takers.
    Hey Fellas- you would put anybody off buying a Fuego.
    Seriously though the car is one owner with logbooks and service receipts from new.
    It was resprayed as it was 18 years old and being red was not 100%-it has done 195,000ks. There is no rust. The owner can afford to do things like this.
    Belts would be replaced for age and not ks and seats do not need retrim just tightening in frame .
    It does not have sunroof and TRXs are about 12 months old and have done about 8000ks.
    It is fully registered and looks "bloody good"

    I just want a fun car that is cheap-air etc. Air works perfectly with proper gas etc. All rubbers are good including boots and only one I may replace is where damage bottom of right door opening near sill-

    Does that sound better than a grands worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westair
    Hey Fellas- you would put anybody off buying a Fuego.
    Seriously though the car is one owner with logbooks and service receipts from new.
    It was resprayed as it was 18 years old and being red was not 100%-it has done 195,000ks. There is no rust. The owner can afford to do things like this.
    Belts would be replaced for age and not ks and seats do not need retrim just tightening in frame .
    It does not have sunroof and TRXs are about 12 months old and have done about 8000ks.
    It is fully registered and looks "bloody good"

    I just want a fun car that is cheap-air etc. Air works perfectly with proper gas etc. All rubbers are good including boots and only one I may replace is where damage bottom of right door opening near sill-

    Does that sound better than a grands worth.
    Westair

    The present Fuego I have I purchased with under 50,000 km on the clock, it is silver, and had been repainted due to fading (silver and red seem to fade more) I originally offerred $3,000 and then had a think and rang the owner and revised this to $3,600 and two weeks later he rang and asked if I would keep to that price.

    Interior and condition of the car was comensurate with the low km and all elctric worked well. The car has done just under 100,000 now and I have just replaced the original TRX tyres. As far as I am concerned the car was a bargain at that price, and only now am I spending anything on the car.

    I have yet to see any other car that looks as good considering its age and drives so well and has potential with better tyre combinations. When I consider what Al spent on his other make car and what I have spent on any Fuego, it makes it a very underpriced performance car.

    I would always recommend to an owner that if they car store a top quality Fuego, its better to do this than part with it for the miserly money they bring at this time. I have every confidence they will increase in price as they become rarer.

    In my book a very good car with a good service and refit history is worth far more than what I a miserly person might pay

    It would be interesting to compare prices for good running examples in the USA, Argentina, UK and France. I bet they want more than the prices we get for them.

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    Because these vehicles are getting quite old now if you want to put them in top nick and have to get someone else to do the job then money gets eaten up quickly.

    I wouldn't be too ashamed of trtying to acquire an original vehicle for the lowest possible price, because even a quality original 20 year old vehicle can require a fair bit of work if you intend to keep it good and not just drive it till it's dead.

    A friend of mine purchased a good original Fuego about 18 months back for not a lot of money. The TRX tyres and mags needed replacing. He was lucky to pick up 25 mags locally for about $100 and fitted good quality modern rubber. There wasn't much change from $700 for that alone.

    My mate then spent a load on having the heater controls repaired/replaced..(the main cost in that was a lot of labour), then followed a front end overhaul/bushes and new shocks all around and some repair work on the drivers seat and other internal cosmetics. Add to that a bit of aircon work and a modern sound system and you end up having spent three times the purchase price.

    At the end of the day I would estimate that the car owes him about $5,000 in parts and labour since he bought it in good original condition. Market value would be way less than that.

    He has a car that drives beautifully, rides like it's on rails and goes like a rocket. Not to mention the fact that it looks good and is extremely comfortable. If he was to sell it tomorrow he would have no chance of getting his money back. If he keeps it like he intends to he will get the value for what he has spent on it.

    It helps if you are a mechanical Fuego genius like Kenfuego, then I reckon you could have it all on a limited budget. But if you are the kind of frog who needs to pay for the work then it can be costly to maintain/ restore even a good original example.

    Being a scrooge I wouldn't look at paying more than 1200 max for a good original vehicle and if I was on prozac on a good day no more that 3 grand for an exemplary one

    Ken, yours sounds brilliant and I think you bought really well at that price for what must be a really rare Fuego (under 50,000km)
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    Thanks Ken.
    As a hobby-we are retired- we restore VW Campers- and I used to own two motor repair shops one of which restored EH Holdens and GT/Lotus Cortinas.

    I drove a one owner 1/86 Fuego (52680ks) which does not drive any better than the one I am thinking of buying.
    I still have access to workshops and good mechanics and buy most parts at reseller price but am limited to no heavy work due to usual stuff up with bypass. Not the heart part just the lousy cutting open and sewing up.

    We don't intend to resell Fuego for some time and it will be a fun car. Drive to town a couple of times a week -go for a stir on weekends and perhaps do a couple of laps occasionally at circuit.

    Fuegos in WA vary between $500 and $5000 limited market but plenty of parts.
    There is one 85 for sale at moment-registered- driveable but top of bonnet pushed in plus other unseen panel work etc. $750 ono. Another with 14" mags-very average-no history for $900 ono .
    I almost bought 504 that definitely needs repaint and only 98000ks but thought Fuego would be more fun

    Appreciate all comments
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westair
    Fuegos in WA vary between $500 and $5000 limited market but plenty of parts.
    I reckon you have answered your own question with that statement.

    Seriously, you have seen, touched, driven and felt the karma of the subject car. So you would know it better than anybody else reading this thread. The car you first described sounds like the 60th percentile Fuego one that needs work, with the TRX's (initially of unknown age) what sort of figure did you want to read? It is always difficult to value a car without having seen it, so someone says $3.5K without seeing it, would that make you feel better? Then on the subject car it needs a cambelt (every 100,000k's), and seals, possible waterpump while it is apart, it all adds up, then if you need to get the work done by someone else, even at mates rates or slab discount it still costs. I'm hoping you can now see the difficulty of the task you initially set :-)

    Buy the car, tell us what you paid, enjoy it and that is it's value to you :-)

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    [QUOTE=Simon]I reckon you have answered your own question with that statement.

    Seriously, you have seen, touched, driven and felt the karma of the subject car. So you would know it better than anybody else reading this thread. The car you first described sounds like the 60th percentile Fuego one that needs work, with the TRX's (initially of unknown age) what sort of figure did you want to read? It is always difficult to value a car without having seen it, so someone says $3.5K without seeing it, would that make you feel better? Then on the subject car it needs a cambelt (every 100,000k's), and seals, possible waterpump while it is apart, it all adds up, then if you need to get the work done by someone else, even at mates rates or slab discount it still costs. I'm hoping you can now see the difficulty of the task you initially set :-)

    Buy the car, tell us what you paid, enjoy it and that is it's value to you :-)


    Bought it- happy with price- Fully serviced at moment=aircon regassed- will change belts for age and see what happens.
    Thanks for all advice both negative and positive.
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    I think that Fuegos are totally under estimated in Australia, I think that if a car has been looked after well, mostly restored, had a good regular service history, drives and looks great then the price would be way more than the stupid market price.

    Many people try to get away with a good bargain to purchase a really nice car such as the Fuego for a few hundred dollars - seriously what is $500 these days ???

    I prefer to pay up to to $2500 and get a Fuego in a good condition rather that paying 5000 or more and get a crap car that is newer in model but made out of plastic and drives like a lawnmower.

    I think that its better for Fuego owners to keep their cars rather than selling them for prices that are almost nothing. I agree with Ken these prices will go up again soon as the cars become rare.

    Another problem is the fact that most mechanics or repair workshops look at Fuegos as complicated cars and charge a lot of money for repairs but if you go to Renault specialist repairers you will see that they are not as complicated as everyone else says.

    If you own a Fuego in a good condition then dont even think of selling it. If you are planning to buy one then have some respect to the owners and these cars and pay what the car is worth and not what the market says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westair
    Bought it- happy with price- Fully serviced at moment=aircon regassed- will change belts for age and see what happens.
    Thanks for all advice both negative and positive.
    Congrats on the new Fuego.
    Do you mind if I ask what you ended up paying?

    They are great machines, hold onto her.
    I have one I was going to sell, but I think I will keep it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid
    Congrats on the new Fuego.
    Do you mind if I ask what you ended up paying?

    They are great machines, hold onto her.
    I have one I was going to sell, but I think I will keep it now.
    Thanks- you have PM
    It looks like this apart from wheels. This is RDG's car.
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    Congrats on the purchase, they really are a car that you end up feeling one with.

    Reliable, Economical and practical.

    Get some decent wheels and tyres and they will put most new cars to shame through the twisties...
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    Sounds like a great buy and Bogmaster, I knew next to nothing about Renaults and still have a lot to learn. Have worked on other makes as a hobby and like mechanical things.

    I think that I pumped everyone for information when I finally decided to join the Fuego owners club, read up on the books and info and worked on the cars and made lots of mistakes and skinned a few knuckles.

    Haakon was my first guru and he gave me a lot of tips and information, and the 2nd thing was pick-a-part where you can dissemble a whole Fuego if you wish to see how it comes apart Just had to beat Haakon to the goody bits

    Where I got into trouble, I learned by my mistakes and by learning from some great Renault mechanics who were only to happy to pass on insider information to make the job easy, and I discovered that these people really love the cars and want to see owners keep them on the road.

    Westair, you will enjoy this experience and I have the feeling that other Fuegos will creep into your garage space as they grow on you and sometimes its cheaper to buy an entire car than the individual spare parts - how long that will continue is anyones guess.

    Having an ex Fuego owner like Ken Bailey at Caravelle sourcing spares also helps the Fuego experience.

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    It definately sounds like you got a good one. Congrats. They are good cars - i actually really do like mine, it's just that i am loving the pugs more at the moment.

    If yours looks like the one in the pic it was definately a good buy. Wack some chromies on (like Jo) and you will get some instant street cred!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    ...they really are a car that you end up feeling one with.
    I'll second that: Mine started out as a quick, cheap purchase to get to work after coming back from overseas, happy if it lasted 12 months before throwing it out. More than three years later, it's a real extension of my personality - for better or worse - and now even the wife is seeing it in a new light.

    And now the patented GonzPlip central locking, together with the new 50Wx4 JVC MP3 CD tuner I got for my birthday, doubles the value of the car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gonz
    I'll second that: Mine started out as a quick, cheap purchase to get to work after coming back from overseas, happy if it lasted 12 months before throwing it out. More than three years later, it's a real extension of my personality - for better or worse - and now even the wife is seeing it in a new light.

    And now the patented GonzPlip central locking, together with the new 50Wx4 JVC MP3 CD tuner I got for my birthday, doubles the value of the car!

    Now that evokes the image of a wonderful cartoon, the Gonz with large Mexican hat, a smiling Fuego plip plippin away and dancing to the sound system going full blast with Mrs Gonz and family looking on approvingly>>

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gonz
    I'll second that: Mine started out as a quick, cheap purchase to get to work after coming back from overseas, happy if it lasted 12 months before throwing it out. More than three years later, it's a real extension of my personality - for better or worse - and now even the wife is seeing it in a new light.

    And now the patented GonzPlip central locking, together with the new 50Wx4 JVC MP3 CD tuner I got for my birthday, doubles the value of the car!
    You're dreaming Gonz, quadruples the value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego
    Now that evokes the image of a wonderful cartoon, the Gonz with large Mexican hat, a smiling Fuego plip plippin away and dancing to the sound system going full blast with Mrs Gonz and family looking on approvingly>>
    Hmmm...Ken, you inspire me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi
    You're dreaming Gonz, quadruples the value.
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    Not just yet, Jo. When I get the cut'n'polish and wax job done, I'll add the bonus JVC logo car ensemble consisting of carmats, CD wallet, sunshades and mini toolkit - then it'll quadruple the value

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    I was musing the other day about recording a piece entirely generated by MY Fuego.The Knock sensor could provide a crude microphone, at least capable of knocking out a rhythmn.It was actually a previous post on knock sensors that got me thinking.There have been plenty of composers last century that performed similar pieces, but I dont recall any of them being from a particular car, more just generic sounds like the bell of a brake drum etc.Maybe We could get your new plip to interfere with a radio or something. John Cage,watch out.
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    Default eBay;One for the Feugo fans

    Looks reasonable, anyone know its history
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    No, but at $1800 starting bid,Its future is fairly certain.Show me a '85 car that doesn't have rear safety belts. Do fuego's have climate control,or do they mean the windows work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi
    I was musing the other day about recording a piece entirely generated by MY Fuego.The Knock sensor could provide a crude microphone, at least capable of knocking out a rhythmn.It was actually a previous post on knock sensors that got me thinking.There have been plenty of composers last century that performed similar pieces, but I dont recall any of them being from a particular car, more just generic sounds like the bell of a brake drum etc.Maybe We could get your new plip to interfere with a radio or something. John Cage,watch out.
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    Ha! Jo just got another image a new Fuego CD with The Gonz's dancing Fuego Plip Plipping cover and music to storm the twisties uphill and downhill at full throttle. (di put that music on!!)

    It'll be a change to put up Fuego on ebay and have that one come up hey!!

    Got to stop these images
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